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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2010, 04:05:52 PM »
Q9:  Can someone help me decipher the errata for Leap Attack?  The errata updated the second sentence to indicate you get +100% power attack returns.  OK fine, that makes sense.  But then it left the 3rd sentence unchanged:  You do triple damage if you are wielding a weapon 2-handed.  So if a guy is swinging a greatsword, power attack 4, how much damage does he actually do?  +12?  +16?
+12.  power attack + 2H-wpn + leap attack = x3
Not quite, the errata changed it. It's Power attack for 4, doubled, for a +8 thanks to two handing it. That +8 is then increased by 100%, per the errata, to +16 damage.
it says "normal bonus damage".
exception-based rule set:
- "normal" for power attack is 1:1.
- 2H weapon is an "exception" -- 2:1

100% + 100% = 200% = x2
power attack 2H = x2.
D&D math -- 2x2=3.

Q&A9:  That's where my confusions comes in.  The errata didn't change the 3rd sentence at all that states 2-handed = triple damage!
that's right -- the last sentence of that paragraph remains unchanged.  the errata only changed one part of one sentence.

Or it could be one-handed 1:1 *100% = 2:1
two-handed 2:1 * 100% = 4:1.

I'm just saying, it's commonly accepted that was the intent, since the errata would be unneeded, otherwise.

I believe there may be something in the FAQ, as well, supporting that.
2 things --
1) there's no need for FAQ -- the errata is very explicit on what it is and is not updating/correcting.  and it was meant to clear up this very issue.
2) you're still ignoring "normal" damage, and it's implication in a exception-based rule set.  these elements are added separately.  Also -- "D&D math" as opposed to "regular math" still has it at a x3 (just like the text says).

I think further debate should have its own thread (I just feel bad derailing the "simple questions" thread).

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #41 on: March 31, 2010, 04:06:34 PM »
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2010, 04:07:37 PM »
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2010, 04:08:09 PM »
Q8 What's the best way (at 7th level) to prevent an ubercharger from precocious deaths due to his abysmal AC?

Uberchargers have to have a weakness somewhere, right? ;)

Nah, but seriously, this is it.  If whatever you charge doesn't die in that shot you generally have problems.

Gobs of HP is one solution.
Having a party member ready an action to extricate you is another (Dimension shuffle, benign transposition is another).  This is actually the optimal method since you can charge again next round.
Lots of miss chances (mirror image, displacement) is another option.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #44 on: March 31, 2010, 04:28:38 PM »
Q8 What's the best way (at 7th level) to prevent an ubercharger from precocious deaths due to his abysmal AC?

Uberchargers have to have a weakness somewhere, right? ;)

Nah, but seriously, this is it.  If whatever you charge doesn't die in that shot you generally have problems.

Gobs of HP is one solution.
Having a party member ready an action to extricate you is another (Dimension shuffle, benign transposition is another).  This is actually the optimal method since you can charge again next round.
Lots of miss chances (mirror image, displacement) is another option.


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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #45 on: March 31, 2010, 04:34:20 PM »
Or the sudden leap manuever.  Charge in, attack, then sudden leap away as a swift action.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #46 on: March 31, 2010, 04:43:28 PM »
Or the sudden leap manuever.  Charge in, attack, then sudden leap battle jump as a swift action.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #47 on: March 31, 2010, 05:28:53 PM »
Q10:
Do Elans age?  As in, will an Elan that reaches 400 look the same as he did when he was 30 or will his body physically change, even if just a little, when he gets older?  If you have an Elan who was made when he was a child, like say, 12, will he always look like a 12-year-old?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #48 on: March 31, 2010, 06:03:12 PM »
Q10:
Do Elans age?  As in, will an Elan that reaches 400 look the same as he did when he was 30 or will his body physically change, even if just a little, when he gets older?  If you have an Elan who was made when he was a child, like say, 12, will he always look like a 12-year-old?
IIRC Elans have to be adults.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #49 on: March 31, 2010, 06:05:34 PM »
Q10:
Do Elans age?  As in, will an Elan that reaches 400 look the same as he did when he was 30 or will his body physically change, even if just a little, when he gets older?  If you have an Elan who was made when he was a child, like say, 12, will he always look like a 12-year-old?
well, the only answer I have isn't quite so simple (i.e., I don't think that RAW goes in to too much detail about it).
So, here's my comprehensive answer:
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A good analogy would be a xerox machine.  Print a text document, and then make a xerox copy of it ; and then make a copy of the copy ; and then make a copy of that copy ; etc. -- with each successive copy, the quality of the document will degenerate, until eventually, you will end-up with nothing but a page of black blobs and smudges that has not one single readable letter.

With creatures that don't experience the negative effects of aging, or that do not die of old age -- this would translate to their DNA simply being so perfect as to be completely incorruptible.[/spoiler]

So, to answer your question -- I'd say that they would age up until the point of adulthood, and then stay perfect from that point on.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #50 on: March 31, 2010, 06:10:35 PM »
Elan prime fiction states they are "born" as adults. They would never age due to their regenerative traits.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #51 on: March 31, 2010, 06:16:16 PM »
Elan prime fiction states they are "born" as adults. They would never age due to their regenerative traits.
They do have an aging table and nothing says that they don't go through middle-aged, old, and venerable with any special benefits.  However, they have no maximum age.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #52 on: March 31, 2010, 06:17:34 PM »
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it depends on many things .... what books are allowed? what is the main goal of this Cleric? What Patron? What Domains Available? What Houserules are in Play?
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Without the Healing Domain, you can't take Improved Power [Healing]. For a heal bot, I personally prefer the Healing and Sun domains, which allow the ranged healing, and access to RSoP, which eventually does what Mastery of Day and Night does, and more. Though, you have to have the Extra Turning feat for that.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #53 on: March 31, 2010, 06:25:10 PM »
Q12: I recall hearing about a spell somewhere that lets you get of one spell in an AMF or has similar anti-AMF functions, but have no idea where it is, or what it's called. It came up in one of those caster vs. warrior threads, but now that I'm actually playing a caster, it might come in handy.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #54 on: March 31, 2010, 06:27:27 PM »
Q12: I recall hearing about a spell somewhere that lets you get of one spell in an AMF or has similar anti-AMF functions, but have no idea where it is, or what it's called. It came up in one of those caster vs. warrior threads, but now that I'm actually playing a caster, it might come in handy.
A12: Invoke Magic. I forget what book. I think Magic of Incarnum. It's 9th level, and only lets you get off one spell of 4th level or lower.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #55 on: March 31, 2010, 06:27:53 PM »
Q12: I recall hearing about a spell somewhere that lets you get of one spell in an AMF or has similar anti-AMF functions, but have no idea where it is, or what it's called. It came up in one of those caster vs. warrior threads, but now that I'm actually playing a caster, it might come in handy.

A12:

Invoke Magic, from Lords of Madness.
9th level spell that casts as a swift action and lets you cast one spell of 4th level or lower in an AMF.  Usually this is Dimension Door to extricate yourself from the AMF


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Elan prime fiction states they are "born" as adults. They would never age due to their regenerative traits.

See that's the thing.  Their fluff states that Elan "children" are usually fully formed adults.  To me that's just begging to have an exception created for the purposes of an interesting plot... as in, a child being made into an elan through a series of circumstances/accidents and being purposefully or accidentally abandoned and having no idea what he actually is.  He starts to figure out he's different as he either A)ages far more slowly than the others around him or B) never ages at all.  But there are quite a few plot elements that won't really work out if he stays looking like a child forever, so I was wondering if there is a definitive ruling one way or the other.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #56 on: March 31, 2010, 06:37:55 PM »
Q 5: Is there a simple way of clerics to get an animal that can touch cast for them?

A 5: The Diabolist from the book of Vile Darkness p. 56 gets an Imp Familiar at Lv2, so at Lv3 it would qualify for deliver touch spells. You can achieve the PRC at 6, so that means no delivering spells until 9th Lv and you need to be Lawful Evil.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #57 on: March 31, 2010, 06:40:43 PM »
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Elan prime fiction states they are "born" as adults. They would never age due to their regenerative traits.

See that's the thing.  Their fluff states that Elan "children" are usually fully formed adults.  To me that's just begging to have an exception created for the purposes of an interesting plot... as in, a child being made into an elan through a series of circumstances/accidents and being purposefully or accidentally abandoned and having no idea what he actually is.  He starts to figure out he's different as he either A)ages far more slowly than the others around him or B) never ages at all.  But there are quite a few plot elements that won't really work out if he stays looking like a child forever, so I was wondering if there is a definitive ruling one way or the other.
IIRC, XPH states somewhere that not all Elans have to be red-haired able-bodied adults, just that the current guys in charge of deciding who gets to be an Elan and who doesn't prefer those. So If some former guy was a pedophile and decided to turn twelve-year-olds into Elans (and some of those Elans are still around), they might well still look twelve years old. Real-world science just doesn't apply to D&D as wotmaniac suggests.
Really, there's no explicit word on the issue, so I'd say do what works best for your character concept.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #58 on: March 31, 2010, 06:43:12 PM »
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Elan prime fiction states they are "born" as adults. They would never age due to their regenerative traits.

See that's the thing.  Their fluff states that Elan "children" are usually fully formed adults.  To me that's just begging to have an exception created for the purposes of an interesting plot... as in, a child being made into an elan through a series of circumstances/accidents and being purposefully or accidentally abandoned and having no idea what he actually is.  He starts to figure out he's different as he either A)ages far more slowly than the others around him or B) never ages at all.  But there are quite a few plot elements that won't really work out if he stays looking like a child forever, so I was wondering if there is a definitive ruling one way or the other.
IIRC, XPH states somewhere that not all Elans have to be red-haired able-bodied adults, just that the current guys in charge of deciding who gets to be an Elan and who doesn't prefer those. So If some former guy was a pedophile and decided to turn twelve-year-olds into Elans (and some of those Elans are still around), they might well still look twelve years old. Real-world science just doesn't apply to D&D as wotmaniac suggests.
Really, there's no explicit word on the issue, so I'd say do what works best for your fluff.
Oh, thanks -- way to rain on my parade  :p
meh -- I was just giving my take on the fluff of ageless races in general.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Viking Berserker Edition
« Reply #59 on: March 31, 2010, 06:47:15 PM »
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Elan prime fiction states they are "born" as adults. They would never age due to their regenerative traits.

See that's the thing.  Their fluff states that Elan "children" are usually fully formed adults.  To me that's just begging to have an exception created for the purposes of an interesting plot... as in, a child being made into an elan through a series of circumstances/accidents and being purposefully or accidentally abandoned and having no idea what he actually is.  He starts to figure out he's different as he either A)ages far more slowly than the others around him or B) never ages at all.  But there are quite a few plot elements that won't really work out if he stays looking like a child forever, so I was wondering if there is a definitive ruling one way or the other.
IIRC, XPH states somewhere that not all Elans have to be red-haired able-bodied adults, just that the current guys in charge of deciding who gets to be an Elan and who doesn't prefer those. So If some former guy was a pedophile and decided to turn twelve-year-olds into Elans (and some of those Elans are still around), they might well still look twelve years old. Real-world science just doesn't apply to D&D as wotmaniac suggests.
Really, there's no explicit word on the issue, so I'd say do what works best for your fluff.
Oh, thanks -- way to rain on my parade  :p
meh -- I was just giving my take on the fluff of ageless races in general.
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My take on ageless races may have been affected by the amount of loli vampires I've been exposed to through my disproportionate consumption of anime and manga, so your mileage may vary.
Since I might as well try to defend my position half-assedly, the Elan fluff entry states that they don't so much deteriorate physically as the psychic power or whatever keeping them running fades slightly, IIRC. This might or might not be accompanied by actual physical decay.
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