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Re: The end of all "AntiMage" threads
« Reply #480 on: April 03, 2010, 04:14:59 PM »
"rock of AMF" really just means "continuous item of AMF" that looks like a rock or something. doesn't really matter.
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Your forgetting magic items don't work in an AMF.
by that logic, casting AMF is recursive.
No because It appears just after you finish the spell, and is not affected by AMF for the same reason the golems aren't. However the item would not work, as magic item fail in an AMF.
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Re: The end of all "AntiMage" threads
« Reply #481 on: April 03, 2010, 04:42:18 PM »
No because It appears just after you finish the spell, and is not affected by AMF for the same reason the golems aren't. However the item would not work, as magic item fail in an AMF.
The Anti-Magic Torc is already this item. Do you think this printed item that costs 90k gold is useless?

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Re: The end of all "AntiMage" threads
« Reply #482 on: April 03, 2010, 04:43:38 PM »
The Anti-Magic Torc is already this item. Do you think this printed item that costs 90k gold is useless?
There might be precedent for a printed item being useless as written, actually. I'll let you know if I remember an example.

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Re: The end of all "AntiMage" threads
« Reply #483 on: April 03, 2010, 04:49:44 PM »
"rock of AMF" really just means "continuous item of AMF" that looks like a rock or something. doesn't really matter.
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Your forgetting magic items don't work in an AMF.
by that logic, casting AMF is recursive.
No because It appears just after you finish the spell, and is not affected by AMF for the same reason the golems aren't. However the item would not work, as magic item fail in an AMF.
EDIT: saw a silly flaw in the argument I put here. removed.
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Re: The end of all "AntiMage" threads
« Reply #484 on: April 03, 2010, 04:57:10 PM »
The Anti-Magic Torc is already this item. Do you think this printed item that costs 90k gold is useless?
There might be precedent for a printed item being useless as written, actually. I'll let you know if I remember an example.
The errata makes it better by Simply having It cast the AMF X times /day
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But it's not the tool's fault if you use it for something else and you fail utterly, such as trying to eat cereal with a butterknife, pounding nails with a screwdriver, blogging to voice your political opinions, and brushing your teeth with a hammer.
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Re: The end of all "AntiMage" threads
« Reply #485 on: April 03, 2010, 06:32:10 PM »
such that some Fighter
Forgetting the fact that I don't like fighters...:Homebrew Non-Casting Class Survives Casters. Homebrew Non-Casting Class Survives Casters. Homebrew Non-Casting Class Survives Casters.

you fail to see that the antimage could permanently defeat the wizard by leaving a rock of permanent AMF at your location.

game? over.
unfortunately, at some point, even if it takes a million years, the rock will be moved by something.
and we will be back.
yeah, but the antimage doesn't care. for his purposes, you are no longer a problem.

and in the case of a warforged or elan antimage, he could maintain the eternal prison between the millennia. yes, it will end some time after the antimage dies somehow; but why should he care?
Even though it doesn't concern homebrew class abilities, this is great out-side the box thinking.

Wait. we use Teleport Through Time to go back in time to when they were living, and make them pay.
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Re: The end of all "AntiMage" threads
« Reply #486 on: April 03, 2010, 07:07:42 PM »
The errata makes it better by Simply having It cast the AMF X times /day
Ah, wasn't aware of that. Sorry!

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Re: The end of all "AntiMage" threads
« Reply #487 on: April 04, 2010, 12:09:09 AM »
you fail to see that the antimage could permanently defeat the wizard by leaving a rock of permanent AMF at your location.

game? over.
This is freakin' hilarious. I am definitely going to use this at some point now. :D
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Re: The end of all "AntiMage" threads
« Reply #488 on: April 04, 2010, 12:57:17 AM »
you fail to see that the antimage could permanently defeat the wizard by leaving a rock of permanent AMF at your location.

game? over.
This is freakin' hilarious. I am definitely going to use this at some point now. :D

If you could somehow get a perminancied wall of force to surround the item they couldn't even move it (could you hire an incantantrix to spell shape the AMF after the wall is up?) is there any way to destroy a wall of force inside an AMF?

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Re: The end of all "AntiMage" threads
« Reply #489 on: April 04, 2010, 12:59:35 AM »
you fail to see that the antimage could permanently defeat the wizard by leaving a rock of permanent AMF at your location.

game? over.
This is freakin' hilarious. I am definitely going to use this at some point now. :D

If you could somehow get a perminancied wall of force to surround the item they couldn't even move it (could you hire an incantantrix to spell shape the AMF after the wall is up?) is there any way to destroy a wall of force inside an AMF?

Tome material?

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Re: The end of all "AntiMage" threads
« Reply #490 on: April 04, 2010, 01:26:03 AM »
you fail to see that the antimage could permanently defeat the wizard by leaving a rock of permanent AMF at your location.

game? over.
This is freakin' hilarious. I am definitely going to use this at some point now. :D

If you could somehow get a perminancied wall of force to surround the item they couldn't even move it (could you hire an incantantrix to spell shape the AMF after the wall is up?) is there any way to destroy a wall of force inside an AMF?

Tome material?

A really high escape artist check and a very literal reading of the WoF spell description which can be interpreted to be destroyed if anything passes through it.
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Re: The end of all "AntiMage" threads
« Reply #491 on: April 04, 2010, 01:30:12 AM »
you fail to see that the antimage could permanently defeat the wizard by leaving a rock of permanent AMF at your location.

game? over.
This is freakin' hilarious. I am definitely going to use this at some point now. :D

If you could somehow get a perminancied wall of force to surround the item they couldn't even move it (could you hire an incantantrix to spell shape the AMF after the wall is up?) is there any way to destroy a wall of force inside an AMF?
A force dragon could remove/destroy the rock.
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Re: The end of all "AntiMage" threads
« Reply #492 on: April 04, 2010, 01:34:26 AM »
you fail to see that the antimage could permanently defeat the wizard by leaving a rock of permanent AMF at your location.

game? over.
This is freakin' hilarious. I am definitely going to use this at some point now. :D

If you could somehow get a perminancied wall of force to surround the item they couldn't even move it (could you hire an incantantrix to spell shape the AMF after the wall is up?) is there any way to destroy a wall of force inside an AMF?
A force dragon could remove/destroy the rock.
how would a forceward interact with this?
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Re: The end of all "AntiMage" threads
« Reply #493 on: April 04, 2010, 04:30:27 AM »
Wait. we use Teleport Through Time to go back in time to when they were living, and make them pay.
Oh dear Lord, please tell me he wasn't serious.

Of course not. If that were an option, they would NOT get that AMF in place.
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Re: The end of all "AntiMage" threads
« Reply #494 on: April 05, 2010, 08:06:47 AM »
you fail to see that the antimage could permanently defeat the wizard by leaving a rock of permanent AMF at your location.

game? over.
This is freakin' hilarious. I am definitely going to use this at some point now. :D

If you could somehow get a perminancied wall of force to surround the item they couldn't even move it (could you hire an incantantrix to spell shape the AMF after the wall is up?) is there any way to destroy a wall of force inside an AMF?
A force dragon could remove/destroy the rock.
The rock wouldn't work because the AMF it creates would deactivate itself.
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Re: The end of all "AntiMage" threads
« Reply #495 on: April 05, 2010, 08:36:10 AM »
I beleve this was already discussed... besides if the item isn't in an AMF then it can be used and activate AMF and then deactivate and then activate and then deactivate....

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Re: The end of all "AntiMage" threads
« Reply #496 on: April 05, 2010, 12:45:56 PM »
It might work if the rock contained an extraordinary spell aimed or sculpted AMF with the rock it self being excluded from the AMF.

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Re: The end of all "AntiMage" threads
« Reply #497 on: April 09, 2010, 04:33:47 AM »
Now that we have had a little break, I'll give the request again. Does anyone have the creativity to homebrew a set of abilities useful for surviving a non-TO full caster?
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Re: The end of all "AntiMage" threads
« Reply #498 on: April 09, 2010, 04:36:35 AM »
Now that we have had a little break, I'll give the request again. Does anyone have the creativity to homebrew a set of abilities useful for surviving a non-TO full caster?

Well do you prefer a set of feats/spells/equipment that could be integrated into another build, or do you prefer a homebrew class with anti-caster abilities?

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Re: The end of all "AntiMage" threads
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2010, 05:10:18 AM »
Maybe if you were a character with infinite spell resistance, the ability to auto-pass every save, immunity to divinations and Mindsight, you had Mettle and Improved Evasion, and an army of similarly statted creatures, you could survive.
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