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Re: Optimising the Were Dire Tiger of doom
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2010, 09:09:12 PM »
how about Were Tiger Pixie ...... ;)

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Unfortunately the pixie is neither a humanoid nor a giant so it is ineligible for the template.

Dustform > Incartnate construct. But then you would every reason to be a pixie  :P

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Re: Optimising the Were Dire Tiger of doom
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2010, 09:10:26 PM »
Incartnate construct
that's a bit pricy, is it not?
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Re: Optimising the Were Dire Tiger of doom
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2010, 09:34:18 PM »
how about Were Tiger Pixie ...... ;)

 :D

Unfortunately the pixie is neither a humanoid nor a giant so it is ineligible for the template.

Dustform > Incartnate construct. But then you would every reason to be a pixie  :P

Not to mention that you still don't qualify for weretiger, need to be medium, large or huge

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Re: Optimising the Were Dire Tiger of doom
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2010, 01:23:35 AM »
This is true, however I would still need to take that half elemental template to increase my Saves and Base attack and I would lose a lot of Saves and Skillpoints doing this from the loss in HD. I would gain an awful lot of stuff this way though...

I hate to be a downer, but the half-elemental template doesn't increase your BAB or saves, just your skills. MotP page 189. That means I'd definitely go with half-dragon. It'll increase your HP and skills, but like half-elemental won't give you better BAB or saves. I don't think there's a good way to increase BAB and saves with a template, unless you can get your animal part (the dire tiger) to be turned into a magical beast, in which case you'll get fighter BAB from the magical beast hit dice. Or, you can add the Feral template and/or find another way to become a Monstrous Humanoid, which will also give you fighter BAB, and changes your good saves to Reflex and Will.

I recommend changing half-elemental to half-dragon, and adding Feral. Then have fun.

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Re: Optimising the Were Dire Tiger of doom
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2010, 01:25:41 AM »
Take Otherworldly at level one. Changes your type to Outsider. Solves everything.

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Re: Optimising the Were Dire Tiger of doom
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2010, 01:38:36 AM »
That works. Awesome. I've got to take note of that in the future . . .   :devil

So, take Otherworldly, get awesome Outsider hit dice . . . it's super effective!

I love the flavor behind an Otherworldly dire tiger, too.

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Re: Optimising the Were Dire Tiger of doom
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2010, 04:34:07 AM »
I don't particularly want to have elf Deep Imaskari or Spiritfolk as my base race though. Plus i have a regional feat already in battle jump.

Suppose it would be an idea though, i will have to see if i can get my DM to let me take it alongside battle jump and stay as human..
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Re: Optimising the Were Dire Tiger of doom
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2010, 12:01:12 PM »
2 ranks in Local (Whatever) is enough for all regional feats.

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Re: Optimising the Were Dire Tiger of doom
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2010, 12:10:58 PM »
but you can still only have one regional feat. this is called out specifically multiple times.
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Re: Optimising the Were Dire Tiger of doom
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2010, 12:30:47 PM »
I don't get it, isn't Feral an Inherited template that makes the base creature a Monstrous Humanoid, and thus, not qualifying for Lycantropy?

Won't it be the same for Half-Dragon? (Unless, of course, you get it through Dragon Disciple)

Only way i can see those Animal HDs becoming Outsider is though Nar Fiendbond spell...

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Re: Optimising the Were Dire Tiger of doom
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2010, 01:17:08 PM »
Incartnate construct
that's a bit pricy, is it not?
dude. it gives you 2 more levels. for that, i would pay my whole WBL if forced to(though i have never seen a DM force somebody to pay for it if they start with it).
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Re: Optimising the Were Dire Tiger of doom
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2010, 01:19:46 PM »
Incartnate construct
that's a bit pricy, is it not?
dude. it gives you 2 more levels. for that, i would pay my whole WBL if forced to(though i have never seen a DM force somebody to pay for it if they start with it).
the question is not if you are willing to pay it, the question is if you are capable of paying for it. I don't think I would let a player start with 2kgp worth of spellcasting without a very damn good reason. hell, for less you could start out PaO'd into a dragon.
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Re: Optimising the Were Dire Tiger of doom
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2010, 01:59:39 PM »
how about Were Tiger Pixie ...... ;)

 :D

Unfortunately the pixie is neither a humanoid nor a giant so it is ineligible for the template.
:p

i realize that .... it was meant as a Joke(due to my offering Pixie as a Race so much  :flutter)

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Re: Optimising the Were Dire Tiger of doom
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2010, 02:03:23 PM »
I don't get it, isn't Feral an Inherited template that makes the base creature a Monstrous Humanoid, and thus, not qualifying for Lycantropy?

Won't it be the same for Half-Dragon? (Unless, of course, you get it through Dragon Disciple)

Only way i can see those Animal HDs becoming Outsider is though Nar Fiendbond spell...

You take lycanthropy template first, then take half-dragon.  A lycan is [Humanoid] or [Giant], so they qualify for the half-dragon template no problem.  And just because their type eventually changes to [Dragon] (or [Monstrous Humanoid] in the case of Feral, does not mean they lose their lycanthrope.  This is detailed in Savage Species.  Basically it all relies on template order.

I'll throw one more idea out there:  Tauric Grey Elf Dire Tiger.  Gives you the physical stats of a dire tiger and the mental stats (+2 INT) of the elf.  You are a [Monstrous Humanoid] from the get go, which means perfect BAB and Good Ref & Will saves.  You end up 17 HD, +2 LA.  Heck, you still have room for Lolth-Touched or Draconic or... Feral. :)
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Re: Optimising the Were Dire Tiger of doom
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2010, 02:08:04 PM »
I don't get it, isn't Feral an Inherited template that makes the base creature a Monstrous Humanoid, and thus, not qualifying for Lycantropy?

Won't it be the same for Half-Dragon? (Unless, of course, you get it through Dragon Disciple)

Only way i can see those Animal HDs becoming Outsider is though Nar Fiendbond spell...

You take lycanthropy template first, then take half-dragon.  A lycan is [Humanoid] or [Giant], so they qualify for the half-dragon template no problem.  And just because their type eventually changes to [Dragon] (or [Monstrous Humanoid] in the case of Feral, does not mean they lose their lycanthrope.  This is detailed in Savage Species.  Basically it all relies on template order.

I'll throw one more idea out there:  Tauric Grey Elf Dire Tiger.  Gives you the physical stats of a dire tiger and the mental stats (+2 INT) of the elf.  You are a [Monstrous Humanoid] from the get go, which means perfect BAB and Good Ref & Will saves.  You end up 17 HD, +2 LA.  Heck, you still have room for Lolth-Touched or Draconic or... Feral. :)
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Re: Optimising the Were Dire Tiger of doom
« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2010, 02:20:22 PM »
You can't take an Inherent template AFTER adding an Acquired one...

Quote from: MM, pg 272
all assume the creature was born with the template.

Unless, of course, you're using Natural Lycantropy

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Re: Optimising the Were Dire Tiger of doom
« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2010, 02:22:58 PM »
You can't take an Inherent template AFTER adding an Acquired one...

Quote from: MM, pg 272
all assume the creature was born with the template.

Unless, of course, you're using Natural Lycantropy
shouldn't you be, though?
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Re: Optimising the Were Dire Tiger of doom
« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2010, 04:04:29 PM »
You can't take an Inherent template AFTER adding an Acquired one...

Quote from: MM, pg 272
all assume the creature was born with the template.

Unless, of course, you're using Natural Lycantropy
shouldn't you be, though?
Let's see, one more level to negate the need to spend skill points on a racial ability and getting 5 more DR on top of that?  I'd say that's a good trade.
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Re: Optimising the Were Dire Tiger of doom
« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2010, 04:05:56 PM »
Not to mention then you can give your whole party the curse of lycanthropy!
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Re: Optimising the Were Dire Tiger of doom
« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2010, 04:10:18 PM »
Not to mention then you can give your whole party the curse of lycanthropy!
or your leadership followers.

plus, I'm pretty sure being a natural lycan gets you the +2 "special power" clause from leadership. then, share your power among your followers.

so many things you can do with it.
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