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Re: How do Psions recharge power points?
« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2011, 10:14:00 PM »
Two methods that weren't mentioned yet

1)  Using Twin Power with Soul Crystal from MoI.  You create a Soul Crystal of Bestow Power, the trick is that if your soul crystal is large enough than the twin power gains you more power points than you lost.

2)  Wilders can gain additional free power points via wild surge (only usable via augmentation.)  The chance of enervation though make it effectively a wash.  Thing is their is a feat that allows you to delay enervation for a total of 3 rounds, with a single 1 level dip of warblade you can take Iron Heart Surge and thus remove the "delayed enervation."

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Re: How do Psions recharge power points?
« Reply #41 on: January 20, 2011, 07:13:02 AM »
Hm, you can do:

first level power (1 pp)
linked augmented bestow power (4 pp)
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Re: How do Psions recharge power points?
« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2011, 08:27:37 PM »
Trying the Wilder again ...

Bestow costs 3pp and you get 2pp out of it.
1st Aug on Bestow costs 6pp and you get 4pp out of it.
Wild Surge +2 pays for 2pp cost of the 6pp cost.
Earth Power pays for 1pp cost of the 6pp cost.
Totals ... 3pp in , and 4pp out.
Then you run the numbers on the enervation cost.
You come out ahead for a little while.

Simple reduction of the various methods, comes down to:
How many ppoints are discounted by the thingy ??


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Re: How do Psions recharge power points?
« Reply #43 on: January 20, 2011, 08:30:12 PM »
Two methods that weren't mentioned yet

1)  Using Twin Power with Soul Crystal from MoI.  You create a Soul Crystal of Bestow Power, the trick is that if your soul crystal is large enough than the twin power gains you more power points than you lost.
I think I'm quoting you (from way back) as a rolling power point gain. Good Stuff.

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2)  Wilders can gain additional free power points via wild surge (only usable via augmentation.)  The chance of enervation though make it effectively a wash.  Thing is their is a feat that allows you to delay enervation for a total of 3 rounds, with a single 1 level dip of warblade you can take Iron Heart Surge and thus remove the "delayed enervation."
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Re: How do Psions recharge power points?
« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2011, 06:19:36 PM »
Body Fuel + Strongheart Vest does the job, unless your DM is picky in which case none of the above methods are probably going to be acceptable either.

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Re: How do Psions recharge power points?
« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2011, 07:09:11 PM »
Body Fuel + Strongheart Vest does the job, unless your DM is picky in which case none of the above methods are probably going to be acceptable either.
There's also a feat in Hyperconscious. It gives you ability-damage/drain/etc-reduction 3
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Re: How do Psions recharge power points?
« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2011, 08:23:02 PM »
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Method 3: Psycarnum Infusion and Azure Talent.  Azure Talent gives you extra power points equal to twice the essentia invested in it, plus an additional 2 if you can shape soulmelds.  Use Psycarnum Infusion to treat the feat as being full for 1 round and use those bonus power points to manifest Bestow Power.  Cannot be used until level 6 or until you take Improved Essentia Capacity and have Bestow Power as a power known.

Doesn't work, the PP gained isn't Temporary. It's used up when you manifest, but you can't specify what PP you are spending from what sources since they all form one giant pool. If you were out of PP and had a Helm of Essentia, you could use Azure Talent to gain PP back whenever you ran out. But you can't physically use Psycarnum Infusion with it. Tangent: Soulmanifester is really effing good for a Psion.

@Kell: We had that debate in the original Incarnum Handbook.
It does, however, work to increase your pool if you're very low on PP (say, 1 or 2 power points), but not out.  You still can activate it and manifest Bestow Power to get some more PP.
Power Crystal. According to the normal rules you can't mix sources, so when you manifest from the points granted by Bestow Power, it's ONLY them being used (and of course your normal power points, but let's assume they are already gone). So you still have the one point from the crystal to regain focus.And the best thing is, it's a method usable at level 1, for a Psywar, even. What more can you ask?

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Re: How do Psions recharge power points?
« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2011, 08:54:08 PM »
What's this Power Crystal and from which source is it?
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Re: How do Psions recharge power points?
« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2011, 09:51:58 PM »
What's this Power Crystal and from which source is it?

Creates a Power Stone, Magic of Incarnum.


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Re: How do Psions recharge power points?
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2011, 10:19:49 PM »
What's this Power Crystal and from which source is it?

Creates a Power Stone, Magic of Incarnum.
A power stone that allows anyone to manifest the power as if they were you, with no cost other than power points.
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Re: How do Psions recharge power points?
« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2011, 02:54:42 AM »
Sinfire or aDMg or lycanthromancer can u submit any method's i've missed for my dirty handbook fixes? I know i've missed a few but psycarnum and pp recharging has never been my thing.
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Re: How do Psions recharge power points?
« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2011, 04:16:59 AM »
What's this Power Crystal and from which source is it?
Yeh, mix-up in my head. I meant a simple cognizance crystal. All you need is a single PP to regain focus.

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Re: How do Psions recharge power points?
« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2011, 04:26:14 AM »
What's this Power Crystal and from which source is it?
Yeh, mix-up in my head. I meant a simple cognizance crystal. All you need is a single PP to regain focus.
How do you get a single PP from a CC into your own body, however?

If you get 3 PP into one and then manifest Bestow Power on yourself using the CC for power, then I'd buy that.

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Re: How do Psions recharge power points?
« Reply #53 on: February 10, 2011, 05:16:13 AM »
What's this Power Crystal and from which source is it?
Yeh, mix-up in my head. I meant a simple cognizance crystal. All you need is a single PP to regain focus.
How do you get a single PP from a CC into your own body, however?

If you get 3 PP into one and then manifest Bestow Power on yourself using the CC for power, then I'd buy that.
Well... I would say you don't need it on your body. You need to be able to use the PP. And a Cog. crystal fulfills that requirement, once you've attuned it to yourself. If you don't like that as a GM, it's easy to fix, obviously.
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If you have 1 or more power points available, you can meditate to attempt to become psionically focused.

That doesn't say that they HAVE to come from your own reservoir, but it also doesn't say that you definitely can use external PPs. It's just one of those things you have to clear with your GM.

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Re: How do Psions recharge power points?
« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2011, 05:39:03 AM »
What's this Power Crystal and from which source is it?
Yeh, mix-up in my head. I meant a simple cognizance crystal. All you need is a single PP to regain focus.
How do you get a single PP from a CC into your own body, however?

If you get 3 PP into one and then manifest Bestow Power on yourself using the CC for power, then I'd buy that.
Well... I would say you don't need it on your body. You need to be able to use the PP. And a Cog. crystal fulfills that requirement, once you've attuned it to yourself. If you don't like that as a GM, it's easy to fix, obviously.
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If you have 1 or more power points available, you can meditate to attempt to become psionically focused.

That doesn't say that they HAVE to come from your own reservoir, but it also doesn't say that you definitely can use external PPs. It's just one of those things you have to clear with your GM.

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Once you are psionically focused, you remain focused until you expend your focus, become unconscious, or go to sleep (or enter a meditative trance, in the case of elans), or until your power point reserve drops to 0.
I suppose you're technically right, that you can regain your focus even with a CC, but if your reserve is 0 then you lose it instantly after.

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Re: How do Psions recharge power points?
« Reply #55 on: February 12, 2011, 05:09:57 PM »
The "have" part was always tricky.

Warforged with the Psiforged feat,
get the 1pp Cog Crystal as themselves or part-of-themselves.
Blurring the line even further.
(I've had no MoE access for years)

Still, the Bonus hitpoints thingy ... you reach 0 total pp,
but dumped 1pp into the Cog Crystal during.

(1) ... You put 1pp into empty CC.
(2) ... You use all (normal+bonus) pp, as normal.
(3) ... You are at 0pp.
(4) ... You transfer 1pp from the CC.
(5) ... You reacquire psi-focus.
(6) ... You spooge* pp (again)
repeat

* spooge is a technical term, refering to the 2 feats + cheese.

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Re: How do Psions recharge power points?
« Reply #56 on: February 13, 2011, 09:42:45 AM »
The "have" part was always tricky.

Warforged with the Psiforged feat,
get the 1pp Cog Crystal as themselves or part-of-themselves.
Blurring the line even further.
(I've had no MoE access for years)

Still, the Bonus hitpoints thingy ... you reach 0 total pp,
but dumped 1pp into the Cog Crystal during.

(1) ... You put 1pp into empty CC.
(2) ... You use all (normal+bonus) pp, as normal.
(3) ... You are at 0pp.
(4) ... You transfer 1pp from the CC.
(5) ... You reacquire psi-focus.
(6) ... You spooge* pp (again)
repeat

* spooge is a technical term, refering to the 2 feats + cheese.
I don't think that would work, unless you could recharge the CC again in the same round it takes to manifest the power you're going to manifest. The SRD gives no action for recharging a crystal... that puts it back into GM fiat territory, and IMHO it's less of a stretch to just assume you can regain focus with just a CC. Of course what you could do is use the pseudo-points from Azure Talent to just restore power points to one or several CCs...

Ok, well, even with a standard action to recharge a CC, you could, I guess, do linked Bestow Power on yourself with a swift action power. So you have Move to Focus, Standard to recharge and swift for any base power to link with. Unless I'm mixing something up again...

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Re: How do Psions recharge power points?
« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2011, 05:27:58 PM »
Well, another way to think about it ...


Normal rounds = use up all regular pp, except one; then

Start with step 5. This takes awhile during early levels.
Then step 6, making sure step 1 is the first action within step 6.
Then step 2a ... You use all bonus pp, as normal (just quickly).
Then step 3
Then step 4
(repeat)


And it's strictly for out-of-combat use ONLY.