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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Attack the Darkness!
« Reply #140 on: February 09, 2010, 04:52:22 AM »
Q23: I remember that back on the old 339 board there was a Magical Locations guide with all of the different bonus feats that you could get.  Is that still floating around anywhere, anybody randomly have a copy backed up?  It isn't one of the things that I saved when I migrated.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Attack the Darkness!
« Reply #141 on: February 09, 2010, 08:01:46 AM »

Historically, ninjas did not use katanas. Katanas were reserved for the samurai, and only they had them. Ninjas used small, easily hidden and/or innocuous weapons, like farm implements.

Completely historically?

A sword was a tool, just like anything else a ninja used.  Some ninja's trained to fight with full-length swords, because if they were ever caught in a position where they had to fight, they'd be at a disadvantage against a katana with a smaller weapon.

To a samurai a sword was a personal piece of his family that he carried with him and wore as a badge of honor.
To a ninja, a sword was a disposable, easily replaceable, implement that served it's purpose only if it was useful at the moment.

If a ninja ever killed a samurai, he might (or might not) take his sword for no other reason than it was probably better than the one the ninja was carrying.

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Except that, y'know, ninjas had no access to real money, and most blacksmiths able enough to forge a katana worked for nobility and/or were at least merchant class. Going by the fact that carrying a katana around without being of the samurai class was a crime punishable by death, whereas carrying a wakizashi was perfectly okay for anyone, and that further there is no historical, definite proof of ninja ever existing (onmitsu are a different matter entirely) I'm inclined to believe there is good reason for ninja not to be proficient with katanas. I'm not saying they couldn't be proficient with longer swords than a wakizashi, but the simple fact that the best iron ore they could get their hards on to forge any kind of weaponry was far, far below what a katana requires (and, again, they couldn't really afford a decent blacksmith) would seem to indicate that ninja did not use katana on a regular basis. And to put the final nail on this coffin, katana are a horrible weapon to use or draw in cramped environments, which is one more reason why no ninja would ever have reason to wield one. Ninja were stealth experts, not combat experts.

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I was going to say because that makes every single ninja movie in the history of ninjas movies 100% incorrect because 99% of the ninjas in those movies (anime or live action) had katanas.
Any ninja anime/live action that takes itself remotely seriously (key word being remotely) subverts this. Go watch Basilisk.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Attack the Darkness!
« Reply #142 on: February 09, 2010, 08:16:09 AM »
Dudes.


This is becoming a katana thread.



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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Attack the Darkness!
« Reply #143 on: February 09, 2010, 08:28:04 AM »
Cool, I thought those were extinct. I want to add that katana's could slice through tanks. Historical fact! :sofa
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Attack the Darkness!
« Reply #144 on: February 09, 2010, 09:30:16 AM »
A katana drew blood on superman once.

It also cut a hair of chuck norris's beard.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Attack the Darkness!
« Reply #145 on: February 09, 2010, 10:57:04 AM »
A katana drew blood on superman once.

It also cut a hair of chuck norris's beard.

In the katana's defense, Chuck Norris is a pussy, so a regular razor could've done that.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Attack the Darkness!
« Reply #146 on: February 09, 2010, 11:04:56 AM »
A katana drew blood on superman once.

It also cut a hair of chuck norris's beard.

In the katana's defense, Chuck Norris is a pussy, so a regular razor could've done that.
How is that a point of defense for Katana?
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A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Attack the Darkness!
« Reply #147 on: February 09, 2010, 11:36:55 AM »
A katana drew blood on superman once.

It also cut a hair of chuck norris's beard.

In the katana's defense, Chuck Norris is a pussy, so a regular razor could've done that.
How is that a point of defense for Katana?
It's a point because it doesn't say you NEED a katana to do it, and therefore it's not unfeasible.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Attack the Darkness!
« Reply #148 on: February 09, 2010, 12:17:09 PM »
Q23: I remember that back on the old 339 board there was a Magical Locations guide with all of the different bonus feats that you could get.  Is that still floating around anywhere, anybody randomly have a copy backed up?  It isn't one of the things that I saved when I migrated.
Do you know the thread's title? Or do you have an old link?
And I guess you're not talking about this project here: http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=6624.0

Nope to all of the questions.  There's a guide called "Magical Locations" by Omen of Peace in the Surrealdex, but IIRC the thread I'm thinking about was written by Dictum_Mortuum.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Attack the Darkness!
« Reply #149 on: February 09, 2010, 12:22:27 PM »

Historically, ninjas did not use katanas. Katanas were reserved for the samurai, and only they had them. Ninjas used small, easily hidden and/or innocuous weapons, like farm implements.

Completely historically?
No, of course not. All absolutes are false. Even this one. ;)
I was going to say because that makes every single ninja movie in the history of ninjas movies 100% incorrect because 99% of the ninjas in those movies (anime or live action) had katanas.
And this surprises you somehow?

Also, YAY for katana threads! :D I heard every D&D character that Vin Diesel ever makes uses a katana, because he's just that uber.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Attack the Darkness!
« Reply #150 on: February 09, 2010, 01:25:12 PM »

I was going to say because that makes every single ninja movie in the history of ninjas movies 100% incorrect

Pretty much.


Were all ninja's super assassins?

Of course not, nearly all of them were spies, information gatherers, and saboteurs.  What people feared the most were the times they actually carried out an assassination without getting caught, as would anyone.

Did all ninja's were black?

Definately not.  In fact there's no real evidence any of them wore black, ever.  Images of a ninja wearing black are by and large an artistic expression symbolizing invisibility.  Beyond that it's only a logical argument put forth that if they had a mission at night, black would blend in best with their surroundings.  If a mission required them to be stealthy and took them into the forest, they'd wear green.  If it was during the winter or in snow, they'd wear white.  If it was in broad daylight, they'd dress like a peasant.  Or a samurai.

Did ninja's have supernatural powers?

I suppose anything is possible, right?  But no, there is no evidence to support this.  What they did have were years of training in stealth and misdirection.  A common trick was to throw a shuriken from a hiding place and have it land out of sight in a bush and just graze a guard's neck.  A terrified guard would then run and get help to fend off the invisible attacker.
Stories of a ninja moving so fast that he attacked and killed a room full of people in a split second were similarly false.  There were most likely four of them, and witnesses just only ever saw one at a time (and hey, they all look pretty much the same).  Similarly, ninja weren't somehow more effective alone or somehow less effective in groups.  Like any other group of specialists, ten ninja would be far more effective than one ninja.  They wouldn't stop being stealthy and brazenly stroll down the middle of a field simply because there are ten of them.

And yeah, the existence of ninja is pretty well documented historically, even the shogunate had hired them.  The only real matters of debate left are if the schools that practice "ninjutsu" today have any direct connection to the groups from feudal Japan, and whether the famous individuals historically identified as ninja were actually ninja.

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Going by the fact that carrying a katana around without being of the samurai class was a crime punishable by death

100% of the activities carried out by an average ninja were punishable by death. :P
You think they'd care about stealing a highly effective sword if it served a purpose?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Attack the Darkness!
« Reply #151 on: February 09, 2010, 01:31:10 PM »
100% of the activities carried out by an average ninja were punishable by death. :P
You think they'd care about stealing a highly effective sword if it served a purpose?
Well yeah, but a katana is just slightly harder to conceal than the fact you murdered a shogun last night. Probably has to do with a katana being a pretty big sword.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Attack the Darkness!
« Reply #152 on: February 09, 2010, 01:41:08 PM »
100% of the activities carried out by an average ninja were punishable by death. :P
You think they'd care about stealing a highly effective sword if it served a purpose?
Well yeah, but a katana is just slightly harder to conceal than the fact you murdered a shogun last night. Probably has to do with a katana being a pretty big sword.
Exactly. It's a bit harder to explain if someone searches your house and finds a stolen katana, instead of the sickles used to cut rice that every other peasant also has.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Attack the Darkness!
« Reply #153 on: February 09, 2010, 02:17:13 PM »
Too much ninja debate, not enough simple questions :P

Q32: 
If a psionic character manifests Psychofeedback but for some reason is immune to ability score damage, what happens?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Attack the Darkness!
« Reply #154 on: February 09, 2010, 02:21:06 PM »
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I would say nothing happens - you don't acually decrease the other scores because you are immune to ability damage, so the increase to the physical stat chosen is 0. If the wording was different (you suffer ability damage equal to the amount you increased the physical stat), it would work.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Attack the Darkness!
« Reply #155 on: February 09, 2010, 02:23:17 PM »
Q32: 
If a psionic character manifests Psychofeedback but for some reason is immune to ability score damage, what happens?

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Select one ability score you would like to boost, and increase it by the same amount that you decrease one or more other scores.

If you're immune that you don't decrease at all. Binders, of course, don't give a shit.

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« Reply #156 on: February 09, 2010, 02:26:53 PM »
@bearsarebrown:
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This is a special form of ability damage that cannot be magically or psionically healed. It is caused by the use of certain psionic feats and powers. It returns only through natural healing.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Attack the Darkness!
« Reply #157 on: February 09, 2010, 02:30:17 PM »
A32
I would say nothing happens - you don't acually decrease the other scores because you are immune to ability damage, so the increase to the physical stat chosen is 0. If the wording was different (you suffer ability damage equal to the amount you increased the physical stat), it would work.

See it's the wording of the power that has me confused:

"You can boost your Strength, Dexterity
or Constitution score by an
amount equal to your manifester level
(or any lesser amount), assuming you
can afford to burn your other ability
scores to such an extent."

Oh... well I can afford quite a lot because I'm immune to it.  So when manifesting I'll designate a Strength by, oh, 20, and burn my Int, Cha, and whatever.  As a result of the power taking effect, I get a bonus to strength and treat the burn as ability damage, thus suffering nothing.

My confusion is stemming from the fact that there are abilities out there that require you to take ability damage that specifically say they don't work if you don't or can't take the ability damage.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Attack the Darkness!
« Reply #158 on: February 09, 2010, 02:31:31 PM »
I'm away from books, isn't there such a thing as a binder-magic transparency? I dimly remember there was a soulmeld-magic transparency in place, that's why I ask.
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It doesn't work because you it "increase it by the same amount that you decrease." If you don't take the damage, you didn't decrease it.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question: Attack the Darkness!
« Reply #159 on: February 09, 2010, 02:38:13 PM »
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