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Kuroimaken

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Has anyone considered starting up a metamagic handbook?
« on: January 29, 2010, 08:16:27 PM »
Over the years I've learned piecemeal methods to effectively use metamagic - DMM, Incantatrix, Metamagic School Focus and (more recently, because I wasn't aware of it) the spelldancer. I think a guide on how to use metamagic (and more importantly: reduce its costs) would be a great asset to the community in general. I'd love to contribute to it, but I completely lack the organizational skills to keep such a handbook in order (I mean, look at my dirty tricks thread, it's 49 pages of a complete MESS).

So, I'm looking for people to help me in this endeavor. Who wants in?
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Re: Has anyone considered starting up a metamagic handbook?
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2010, 09:33:27 PM »
I'll help. :)

Metaphyiscal Spellshaper and the Mastery feats from ECS are worth adding.

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Re: Has anyone considered starting up a metamagic handbook?
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2010, 09:35:31 PM »
I'll help. :)

Metaphyiscal Spellshaper and the Mastery feats from ECS are worth adding.

I'd been hearing about those, actually.

Couple more additions: Anima Mage (no cost), Metamagic Spell Trigger (hello Persisted wands!) and Ultimate Magus.
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Re: Has anyone considered starting up a metamagic handbook?
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2010, 09:37:21 PM »
Artificers have that one infusion too.

and Halruan Elders

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Re: Has anyone considered starting up a metamagic handbook?
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2010, 09:46:44 PM »
Easy Metamagic: -1 to metamagic feat slot costs, min +0.  "Dragon" 325
Improved Metamagic: -1 to all metamagic slot costs, min +1.  Epic feat and Incantatrix10 ability.
Practical Metamagic: -1 to spontaneously-cast metamagic feat slot costs, min +0.  Races of the Dragon 101
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Re: Has anyone considered starting up a metamagic handbook?
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2010, 09:47:18 PM »
re: ideas: Metamagic is one of the main ways to break the Shadowcraft Mage. Earth Spell from RoS, Arcane Thesis, Impromptu Metamagic (D357),

pre-edit: 29-01-10, 16:47, -8 GMT, someone beat me to Easy and Practical.

addendum: 29-01-10, 16:48, -8 GMT, Eldritch Corruption (HoH).

addendum 2: 29-01-10, 16:49, -8 GMT, Illumian pseudo-DMM-Heighten (Aeshkrau?).

addendum 3: 29-01-10, 16:50:00, -8 GMT, Sanctum Spell.

addendum 4: 29-01-10, 16:51, -8 GMT, Residual Magic (CM), Invisible & Deceptive Spell (Cityscape).

addendum 5: 29-01-10, 16:52:00, -8 GMT, Bard's Talfirian Song?

addendum 6: 29-01-10, 16:53, -8 GMT, a dip into the Shadow Adept PrC.
http://yfrog.com/jtpg2f72shadowadeptrotpx
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Re: Has anyone considered starting up a metamagic handbook?
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2010, 10:16:28 PM »
Where is Talfrian Song from?
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Re: Has anyone considered starting up a metamagic handbook?
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2010, 11:41:37 PM »
"Talfirian Song    Rac    170     You can use the power of your bardic music to enhance your illusion spells."
"Rac    Races of Faerûn"

addendum: 29-01-10, 18:43:00, -8 GMT, I'll try to post here with an excerpt as it's something worth mentioning in my ScM handbook.

addendum 2: 29-01-10, 18:44, -8 GMT, my ret-cons make it look like you're a bad speller.
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Re: Has anyone considered starting up a metamagic handbook?
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2010, 11:50:29 PM »
I have yet to understand why you choose to do them that way, but it's none of my business anyway.  :P
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Re: Has anyone considered starting up a metamagic handbook?
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2010, 11:55:15 PM »
I have yet to understand why you choose to do them that way, but it's none of my business anyway.  :P
Do what what way? Whatwhat?

addendum: 29-01-10, 18:57, -8 GMT, http://yfrog.com/0drof170p

addendum 2: 29-01-10, 18:58, -8 GMT, upon reading it, I wonder if the "Tethyrian human" prereq can be considered regional. Elsewise, it'll require Stoneblessed for ScMs...
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Re: Has anyone considered starting up a metamagic handbook?
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2010, 01:01:45 AM »
Dweomerkeeper 10 gets the same ability as Incantatrix 10 under a different name.  Metamagic Effect applies to any "persistent magical effect," meaning not just spells.
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Re: Has anyone considered starting up a metamagic handbook?
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2010, 09:50:02 AM »
I have yet to understand why you choose to do them that way, but it's none of my business anyway.  :P
Do what what way? Whatwhat?

addendum: 29-01-10, 18:57, -8 GMT, http://yfrog.com/0drof170p

addendum 2: 29-01-10, 18:58, -8 GMT, upon reading it, I wonder if the "Tethyrian human" prereq can be considered regional. Elsewise, it'll require Stoneblessed for ScMs...

Your edits to your posts. I don't really understand why you add date and time to each of them.  :)

Dweomerkeeper 10 gets the same ability as Incantatrix 10 under a different name.  Metamagic Effect applies to any "persistent magical effect," meaning not just spells.

Yeah, not to mention the lovely "turn a broken spell into a Su ability"...
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Re: Has anyone considered starting up a metamagic handbook?
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2010, 10:59:27 AM »
Isn't the incantrix ability at level 8? Instead of 10?

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Re: Has anyone considered starting up a metamagic handbook?
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2010, 12:12:52 PM »
Isn't the incantrix ability at level 8? Instead of 10?

In the less awesome 3.0 version.  It's the capstone in the 3.5 version, and also includes Metamagic Effect, one of those class features up there with Supernatural Spell.
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Re: Has anyone considered starting up a metamagic handbook?
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2010, 12:21:21 PM »
OMFG! D-BAG! Thats why I wasn't able to find the ability I thought the incantrix had. Where is the 3.5 version?

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Re: Has anyone considered starting up a metamagic handbook?
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2010, 12:23:59 PM »
OMFG! D-BAG! Thats why I wasn't able to find the ability I thought the incantrix had. Where is the 3.5 version?
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Re: Has anyone considered starting up a metamagic handbook?
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2010, 12:29:32 PM »
OMFG! Kell, you're an asshole and a genius! Thats why I wasn't able to find the ability I thought the incantrix had. Where is the 3.5 version?

Fixed it for ya :P  PGtF has some nice stuff in it.  I'm thinking about building an arcane sniper here soon, and one of the dips will be from that book (Arcane Devotee for auto-enlarge so all spells are double range).  Speaking of which :

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Re: Has anyone considered starting up a metamagic handbook?
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2010, 06:38:00 PM »
Halruaan Elder gains his Circle Link ability at level one of the PrC unless it was updated somewhere, if so, can you give me the link or name of said book? (Full name please!)
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Re: Has anyone considered starting up a metamagic handbook?
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2010, 08:10:51 PM »
Psionics got something silly, for metamagic, in Dragon #349.
Cerebremetamagic feat (and I might be off on the spelling / hafta look it up). Period.

Basically you use Powerpoints on a 2pp:+1 spell adjustment ratio.
You have more pp via a cerebremancer build, than almost anything gets metamagic.
It's silly.
Then there's the possibility of a powerpoint recharge set-up.
That'll get an unlimited amount of metamagic.
But ...
like I said, I hafta look it up.
It's very silly, and bonkers.
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Re: Has anyone considered starting up a metamagic handbook?
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2010, 08:13:14 PM »
Mind Mage from Dragon 313 is Cerebremetamagic on crack. You may explicitly cast a spell from a lower level slot at the cost of pp. And the capstone grants +10CL and +10ML.