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Re: Why up 2 tier prcs are up 2 tiers
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2010, 06:33:24 PM »
Thrallherd : Knowledge affiliation makes all your followers into powerful debuffers.  An optimized thrallherd with the power of EDUCATION can defeat a truly sickening number of defenses, and reduce an archmage into a commoner.

That's only the tip of the iceberg.  They are bar none the premier production lines, given that they can drain their thralls dead and more just wander in, free of charge.  They're always willing to be hooked up to Ambrosia Factories, always willing to waste their own resources on Psychic Chirurgy to give you every spell and power you'll ever want, always willing to turn over all of their assets "for the greater good," and finally, Thallherd doesn't have to be the ending point for a build.  After aquiring everything you need for X master plan, you can always rebuild after turning everyone into magical items (effectively, since their XP build them) into something utterly bad ass with 0 limitations like an erudite or psion.  For that matter, an Ardent works exceptionally well as one, and as the base, due to the awesome that is Dominant Ideal.
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Re: Why up 2 tier prcs are up 2 tiers
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2010, 07:22:51 PM »
Ok, I keep seeing The_Mad_Linguist (I had a character whose concept was based on that username once) mentioning this knowledge affiliation thing. What book is that in?
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Re: Why up 2 tier prcs are up 2 tiers
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2010, 07:34:42 PM »
Ok, I keep seeing The_Mad_Linguist (I had a character whose concept was based on that username once) mentioning this knowledge affiliation thing. What book is that in?

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Re: Why up 2 tier prcs are up 2 tiers
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2010, 12:51:40 AM »
Thrallherd : Knowledge affiliation makes all your followers into powerful debuffers.  An optimized thrallherd with the power of EDUCATION can defeat a truly sickening number of defenses, and reduce an archmage into a commoner.

That's only the tip of the iceberg.  They are bar none the premier production lines, given that they can drain their thralls dead and more just wander in, free of charge.  They're always willing to be hooked up to Ambrosia Factories, always willing to waste their own resources on Psychic Chirurgy to give you every spell and power you'll ever want, always willing to turn over all of their assets "for the greater good," and finally, Thallherd doesn't have to be the ending point for a build.  After aquiring everything you need for X master plan, you can always rebuild after turning everyone into magical items (effectively, since their XP build them) into something utterly bad ass with 0 limitations like an erudite or psion.  For that matter, an Ardent works exceptionally well as one, and as the base, due to the awesome that is Dominant Ideal.

They took the ONE thing that balanced leadership (cruelty to underlings) and removed it.  This class just tears up any concept of balance in the Epic Spell system as each and every magical creature on earth comes to sacrifice themselves to allow you to create an even more OP world enslaving spell.  And what happens when your 2 thralls are both Thrallherds!
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Re: Why up 2 tier prcs are up 2 tiers
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2010, 01:01:04 AM »
And what happens when your 2 thralls are both Thrallherds!
The thralls pick other thrallherds as thralls?

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Re: Why up 2 tier prcs are up 2 tiers
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2010, 01:09:51 AM »
And what happens when your 2 thralls are both Thrallherds!
The thralls pick other thrallherds as thralls?

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Re: Why up 2 tier prcs are up 2 tiers
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2010, 03:18:01 PM »
Yo dawg we herd you liek extra psions so we gave your thralls thralls so you can manifest metaconcert while you manifest metaconcert

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Re: Why up 2 tier prcs are up 2 tiers
« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2010, 04:16:37 PM »
Has anyone ever worked out how many minions you could get total using thrallherd chaining?

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Re: Why up 2 tier prcs are up 2 tiers
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2010, 04:27:30 PM »
Has anyone ever worked out how many minions you could get total using thrallherd chaining?
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Re: Why up 2 tier prcs are up 2 tiers
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2010, 05:57:48 PM »
Assuming a +0 Cha modifier, the Leadership score is Lvl x2 -5. This works from 6th through 15th, and doesn't matter afterwards because the Leadership table caps at 25. Assuming that all thralls and believers capable of entering the Thrallherd PrC do so, and that no early entry tricks are used, this results in a total of 4225 thralls and believers directly or indirectly loyal to the thrallherd at 20th level.

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Level 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 Total Net total
1 0 0 0
2 0 0 0
3 0 0 0 0
4 0 0 0 0 0
5 0 0 0 0 0 0
6 0 0 0 0 1 1 1
7 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 2
8 6 0 0 0 0 0 1 7 9
9 10 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 12 21
10 20 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 24 45
11 30 3 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 36 81
12 40 4 2 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 49 130
13 60 6 3 2 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 74 205
14 90 9 5 3 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 111 317
15 135 13 7 4 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 165 689
16 135 13 7 4 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 165 1173
17 135 13 7 4 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 165 2029
18 135 13 7 4 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 165 3369
19 135 13 7 4 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 165 4225
20 135 13 7 4 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 165 4225

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