Wizard/Cleric/Druid/Psion/others

[TheEndIsNear]

Ok, what book is the psionic artificier spelllist printed in? You know with spells saying Psionic Artificier 7 instead of Cleric 6, Druid 5, Wizard/Sorcerer 7.

You guys obviously know what I am looking for. Why have to play those games?

[bearsarebrown]

I don't remember    It's in some Eberron book. They have access to all psinoic powers which means Spell to Power is open game, which means everything ever.

Best spell access (IMO)

psinoic artificer
artificer
Sorc
Wiz -/- Archivist (tie! I can't decide!)
Cleric
Druid
Psion
Psionic Warrior
Ranger
Assasin
Paladin

probably. Ignore italics if you don't want to count collaborative spell lists. Not sure on Wu Jen/Shuneja.

[snakeman830]

Psionic Artificier is in Magic of Eberron.

[TheEndIsNear]

I know about him, he can choose spells from other spell lists but no spell have psionic atificier in their like stat block. Same way as Erudite(and wilder) uses the psion list (and more in case of erudite) the artificier uses the Wizard one (I think) and more. Its the list he uses, but its the wizard's list.

So druid is stronger caster than psion?

Now between Int and cha, cha is better?

I mean if for some reason I get favored soul casting (cha and wis) and sorcerer (cha) and have access to the Feats that change your casting stat (except for DC) to int or cha, should I take psion(so I can use all 3 or cha/int) or druid(so I can only use cha except for drui spell DCs) or even others? What would be good?

[snakeman830]

Artificiers (psionic or otherwise) can't exactly cast any spells.  Closest they get are their infusions.  However, they simply make items to cast any spell they desire, and the psionic artificier can make items to cast any spell or psionic power in the game.  That's what the artificier does.  If the spell was printed anywhere, they can put it into an item (exception of Bestow Power, but that's unique to that power)

[KellKheraptis]

My vote goes to the StP/Mantled Erudite, which with the same cheese can nab the same access as a Psionic Artificer, while being more able to abuse action economy, being spontaneous.  Also, once you PsiChir the power, it's outside the UP/LVL/Day

As for raw power, the Sor/Wiz (I don't make a distinction, as there are enough ways to get and use the Sorc specific spells) wins, IMO.

[TheEndIsNear]

Not counting those. Thats a class that gets the Psion list in addition to others. Its the characters list more than the class list, the class list is psion only. If the elf commoner gets a racial feat that gives him be able to cast any spell as a spell like ability, the commoner class has no spell list, the character can cast spells from any lists but those are comoner spell class lists.

Now: if for some reason I get favored soul casting (cha and wis) and sorcerer (cha) and have access to the Feats that change your casting stat (except for DC) to int or cha, should I take psion(so I can use all 3 or cha/int) or druid(so I can only use cha except for drui spell DCs) or even others? What would be good?

[Surreal]

My vote goes to the StP/Mantled Erudite, which with the same cheese can nab the same access as a Psionic Artificer, while being more able to abuse action economy, being spontaneous.  Also, once you PsiChir the power, it's outside the UP/LVL/Day

Yeah, throw in the arcane spellsurge/fusion/greater fusion already mentioned, plus the various celerities, toss in Schism for the heck of it, a hustle 'cuz you might as well, shapechange or metamorphosis into a Choker or Chronotyryn... what am I missing?

Alternatively do it all on a chassis on ardent*/beholder mage/ur-priest/mystic theurge/psionic theurge/cerebremancer, because you're going to be burning through slots fast. I think that build even lets you slip in one level of Incarnate, so you can start abusing PP recharge.
*ACF custom mantles

[TheEndIsNear]

Best spell access (IMO)

I specificatlly asked for spell lists, not acces and even bitched cause you guys specifically answer with what I told you doesn't count. And here you go again...

Spell access Spell lists.

For now debating whats better, druid or psion lists. Considering with druid I can single or double attribute cast(cha(but not for DCes or wis and cha) while with psion I can only double or tripple score cast(Cha, int or cha int wis). I am using the Dynamic and Academic priest feats.

I already have Cleric and Sorcerer casting, if that is important.

[Agita]

Druid vs. Psion depends strongly on what you want to do. The druid list is great for buffing, especially yourself and animals, and has some good battlefield control. Psions are pretty good at action economy abuse, though, especially with Synchronicity and Link Power in CP.

[telehax]

To elaborate, Psion is the best of the two if used in-tandem with other lists due to Synchronicity, Link Power(a feat), and Schism. (If you're feeling especially silly, you can also use Soul Crystal, which is similar to imbue with spell ability but way better, with your familiar for even more actions.) This is largely because the power level difference between the top few spell lists is far less than that which comes from extra spells being cast in a round. To put it another way, having three classes worth of spells is pointless if you can't cast them all.

Of course, if you're playing a Sharn like I suspect, the mass action spam will cause so much confusion that even the most munchkin player would regret bothering. Then again, druid doesn't mesh well with Sharn so Psion is still the best.

[Dictum Mortuum]

druid > cleric imo

[PhaedrusXY]

Druid vs. Psion depends strongly on what you want to do. The druid list is great for buffing, especially yourself and animals, and has some good battlefield control. Psions are pretty good at action economy abuse, though, especially with Synchronicity and Link Power in CP.

They also have the best energy damage powers and energy resistance buffs. And scrying abilities. And they have a lot of movement powers, but wizards probably have about as many with all the stuff in splatbooks. It's just easier to find the Psionic ones, because you only have to look through two books really. And with the right power and feat combos, they can take way more hit point damage than an equal level wizard/sorcerer. Of course, the sorcerer/wizard is a lot better at avoiding getting hit in the first place, which is even better...

[TheEndIsNear]

Maybe psion just for the fact that I won't need any components (none for psionic powers and spells either cause yes, Sharn).

I got Cha for sorcerer casting, cha for favored soul but Wis for DCs and Int for psion. Seems alot but I could make it work.

Psion/Favored Soul/Sorcerer casting! Yay

[Negative Zero]

Pity you can't progress them all at once with a Sharn. Going with Phaerimm and the Psionic/Divine prestige ought to work, though.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

Pity you can't progress them all at once with a Sharn. Going with Phaerimm and the Psionic/Divine prestige ought to work, though.

If you're stucking up the LA anyway, might as well have a phrenic sharn...

[Endarire]

Spell-for-spell, Wizards and Sorcerers top most Clerics and Druids.  CoDzilla is so potent because these classes can melee and sometimes get extra stuff, like an animal companion, wild shape, or Divine Metamagic.

[TheEndIsNear]

Gestalt XD

hehe

So wait, I thought the cleric spells might be a bit useless without me being able to buff myself with spells like righteous might or divine power (The one maknig me bigger) or so on, do the other effects of the spell works or does the whole thing fail and I'd like to keep myself from donig anyhting other than magic, no melee.

Also, how would this work with stuff like DFA or Warlock?