Wizard/Cleric/Druid/Psion/others

[TheEndIsNear]

What, according to you guys would be the best fullcasting list?

I heard that arcane. But in order, what comes after? and after that... so on.

Also, whats the best casting stat?

Int, Wis or Cha?

Wis: Will saves.
Int: Skills is all I see.
Cha for skills (diplo,intim,bluff) and random bonuses(it adds to yuor AC/saves/etc easier) and leadership.

[Agita]

Wizards have an insanely large list that includes just about anything you could ask for except healing (and they have some stuff for that too, like Planar Binding).
Next would be Druids and Clerics. I'd put Cleric slightly above Druid here looking at spell lists alone.

As for casting stats... Cha is the easiest of the three to pump high with cheese, so I'll go with that, though the other two have better classes, and Cha-based casters usually get their spells a level late compared to Int and Wis-based casters.

[PhaedrusXY]

The best list? Probably sorcerer.

It depends somewhat on what you want to do, though. Clerics might have slightly better spells for buffing up and crushing people's skulls, and defending against/removing negative effects. And clerics can also access a lot of the better wiz/sorc spells via domains, alternate class features, etc. So I think it is probably:

1) Sorcerer
2) Wizard
3) Cleric
4) Psion
5) Druid

But clerics that cherry pick can get up to pretty much even with the wizard, and they automatically know all the spells on their list. Sorcerers have a few spells that are unique to them that are very good, but their limited spells known and slower progression is a huge drawback, IMO. Of couse, Runestaves and other such items can mitigate that, as can kobold cheese.

I'm not considering non-core stuff like Beguiler here, either.

[snakeman830]

And before you ask why Sorcerers have the best list, it's because of three spells: Arcane Spellsurge, Arcane Fusion, and Greater Arcane Fusion.  A sorcerer knowing all three can fire off 6 spells in a round and still have his move action left.  That, and the various "wings of" spells.

[TheEndIsNear]

Well I'm not counting only core, but I only had non full casters, Wujen, Spirit shaman(Druid) and Favored soul(cleric list right?) in mind and I didn't think the wujen compared.

How is it easier to pump cha than others? 5 tomes 6 magic items, 5 levels, 3 age, 18 base is all I can think of, baring race. Max: 37?

D-End

I knew sorcs had spells that wiz didn't but didn know about the Arcane XXXXX being sorc only, I knew of wings of XXXXX

[PhaedrusXY]

How is it easier to pump cha than others? 5 tomes 6 magic items, 5 levels, 3 age, 18 base is all I can think of, baring race. Max: 37?

I can think of at least two LA +0 templates, and a LA +0 race that all give +2 to charisma. There are also several persistable buffs that can jack your charisma up, and that stack with your +6 item.

Edit: Didn't see the "barring race" part. Even with that, it is still probably easier to boost Cha. I don't remember all the spells that boost it. I used a lot of them in my old 100^10 contest entrant, though.

[Agita]

Well I'm not counting only core, but I only had non full casters, Wujen, Spirit shaman(Druid) and Favored soul(cleric list right?) in mind and I didn't think the wujen compared.

How is it easier to pump cha than others? 5 tomes 6 magic items, 5 levels, 3 age, 18 base is all I can think of, baring race. Max: 37?

Don't bar race. Magic-Blooded and Unseelie Fey (though the latter is more than a little cheesy, and the former is 3.0 material) are two templates that both add +2 to Cha, and there's more races that pump it than there are for Int and Wis. Also, more stat synergy spread out among classes. If you're willing to accept an LA (read: you can buy it off), there's also a fair amount of other templates that give bonuses to Cha.
On the other hand, if you count in Stuff like Anthropomorphic Animals, as well as Owl's Insight, Wis may break even or even pull ahead.

[Negative Zero]

Don't forget the Jermlaine (LA +0) with its +6 wis.

[TheEndIsNear]

I meant without race, thats as high as I can see it going.

Don't all the stat boosting buffs for mental stats have a equivalent for everything else?

Where would beguiller or other full casters be on the list?

ALSO, quick question, what is a partial action (I think from 3.0) if brought into 3.5, standard right? And a "Quicky", if you don't plan on moving, what are good things to do with your move action?

[Negative Zero]

I believe a partial action is a move action. And no, they don't have equivalents. There is nothing comparable to Owl's Insight for any other stat.

[TheEndIsNear]

OH! Shit, I'm thinking of owl's wisdom.

I see, with permenance, it could get crazy XD

NVM! an hour level?

Druid only tho.

Wait, what about greater fox' cunning gives a max of +9 to a int (instead of 12, is level 6 (2d4+1) so might give more (maximized) until higher levels. Empowered and amximized for total +12, just like the owl's insight, but it takes more effort) Greater eagle's splendor for CHA (both 3.0 I believe...)

Wait thats only in NWN... I suck.

[bearsarebrown]

OH! Shit, I'm thinking of owl's wisdom.

I see, with permenance, it could get crazy XD

NVM! an hour level?

Druid only tho.

Wait, what about greater fox' cunning gives a max of +9 to a int (instead of 12, is level 6 (2d4+1) so might give more (maximized) until higher levels. Empowered and amximized for total +12, just like the owl's insight, but it takes more effort) Greater eagle's splendor for CHA (both 3.0 I believe...)

Wait thats only in NWN... I suck.

It's not an Hour/level. It's an hour. Still a great spell...

[Negative Zero]

Yeah, but the fact that it's one hour means it takes effort (AKA shenanigans) to prepare spells with it.

[TheEndIsNear]

I see um guys, so about the fullcasting classes, including non core, outta ALL of them, or fullcastish classed(like warlock) whats is the concensus?

[Viletta Vadim]

The true greatest spell list is the Archivist, since depending on your finagling, it has every spell in the game except for Artificer infusions.  Or possibly Erudite, for the same reason, but more so (using divine to arcane to power shenanigans instead of arcane to divine).

I see um guys, so about the fullcasting classes, including non core, outta ALL of them, or fullcastish classed(like warlock) whats is the concensus?

There isn't one.  The most powerful of the full casters are so ridiculously mighty at their zenith that comparison becomes a moot point.  I'd give the win to Artificer, though.  Money is power, after all, and they can do ridiculous things with theirs.

[TheEndIsNear]

But they don't have a spell list, they use other's

I'd just like a relative list...

[bearsarebrown]

But they don't have a spell list, they use other's

I'd just like a relative list...

Well, then there list is all lists.

And for that reason, Psionic Artificer is the best. He can cast every spell and manifest every power.

[TheEndIsNear]

Ok,

Now really, out of... You now know spells from the XXXXX spell list/power list. Psionic artificier does not exist. Now really, which ones?

[The_Mad_Linguist]

The true greatest spell list is the Archivist, since depending on your finagling, it has every spell in the game except for Artificer infusions.  Or possibly Erudite, for the same reason, but more so (using divine to arcane to power shenanigans instead of arcane to divine).

Ahem, Chameleon?

[bearsarebrown]

Ok,

Now really, out of... You now know spells from the XXXXX spell list/power list. Psionic artificier does not exist. Now really, which ones?

...it does too exist. Maybe it doesn't answer the exact question you were asking but it damn sure as hell exists!