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Re: Thou shalt not lose caster levels vs. Artificer
« Reply #80 on: December 20, 2009, 09:56:22 AM »
Just wanted to add something that might be useful: A list of classes with spell lists in the books I have. I only gave them a cursory glance, as it is quite much, but some of these might have gone unnoticed (such as the Demonologists second level Bestow Curse, if you took Enhance Item):
The layout is shoddy, sorry for this...

LoEF:
Cultist of the Shattered Peak      Sor/Wiz Abj and Ench only
FRCS:
Harper Scout            1st Spiderclimb
CoR:
Justice of Weald and Woe
Shade Hunter
CoV:
Knight of the Weave         
Underdark:
Prime Underdark Guide              
Sharn:
Urban Adept            5th level Heal
Dungeonscape:
Trapsmith                                   Almost complete spell list...
BoED:
Beloved of Valarian
Champion of Gwynharwyf      2nd Warcry
Emissary of Barachiel              4th Atonement, 4th Heaven's Trumpet
Exalted Arcanist
Slayer of Domiel
Vassal of Bahamut
BoVD:
Demonologist            2nd Bestow Curse, 4th Bestow Greater Curse
Mortal Hunter            2nd Magic Circle against Good
Complete Adventurerer:
Vigilante                    2nd Sonic Weapon
CA:
Wu Jen                    some cool Wu Jen only Spells
Sublime Chord         
CD:
Blighter                       4th Flamestrike, 5th Harm
Consecrated Harrier         4th Dominate Person
(unfinished)
DMG:
Witch   
Assassin
Fiend Folio:
Fiend of Blasphemy
Frostburn:
Disciple of Thyrm
Ghostwalk:
Bone Collector
Heroes of Horror:
Dread Necromancer         5th Greater Dispel Magic
Corrupt Avenger            2nd Vampiric Touch
Death Delver            
Miniatures Handbook:
Healer               3rd Restoration 5th Stone to Flesh 8th Heal, Mass
Planar Handbook:
The Fatemaker
Player's Handbook:
Paladin
Ranger
Wizard
Sorcerer
Druid
Cleric
Player's Handbook II:
Beguiler
Duskblade            5th Polar Ray, 5th Bigby's Clenched Fist, 5th Chain Lightning, 5th                Disintegrate, 4th Interposing Hand
Races of Faerun:
Bladesinger
Savage Species:
Scaled Horror

Is that worth being added to one of the artificer handbooks?

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Re: Thou shalt not lose caster levels vs. Artificer
« Reply #81 on: December 20, 2009, 10:14:58 AM »
Just wanted to add something that might be useful: A list of classes with spell lists in the books I have. I only gave them a cursory glance, as it is quite much, but some of these might have gone unnoticed (such as the Knight of the Weave 1st level lesser restoration, instead of Paladins 2nd level):
Pallies get Lesser Restoration at first too.
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Re: Thou shalt not lose caster levels vs. Artificer
« Reply #82 on: December 20, 2009, 10:23:48 AM »
could have sworn it was second... I'll edit that, thanks.
Hope the others are correct.
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Re: Thou shalt not lose caster levels vs. Artificer
« Reply #83 on: December 20, 2009, 10:37:47 PM »
Here's my list from a previous thread
Incomplete, and I haven't checked for overlap, but here's my list

BOED:
Apostle of Peace
Beloved of Valarian
Champion of Gwynharwyf
Emissary of Barachiel
Exalted Arcanist
Slayer of Domiel
Vassal of Bahamut
BOVD:
Demonologist
Mortal Hunter
CD:
Consecrated Harrier
Temple Raider of Olidammara
CW:
Knight of the Chalice
Draconomicon:
Hoardstealer
Dungeonscape:
Trapsmith
FRCS:
Harper Scout
Ghostwalk:
Bone Collector
MoF:
Gnome Artificer
Planar HB:
Fatemaker
Races of Faerun:
Bladesinger
Unapproachable East:
Durthan
Nar Demonbinder
Nentyar Hunter
Runescarred Berserker
Telflammar Shadowlord
Thayan Slaver
Underdark:
Prime Underdark Guide
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Re: Thou shalt not lose caster levels vs. Artificer
« Reply #84 on: December 20, 2009, 10:58:18 PM »
Hexblades also get spells, including the exclusively-hexblade Hound of Doom spell and dominate person as a 4th level spell

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Re: Thou shalt not lose caster levels vs. Artificer
« Reply #85 on: December 21, 2009, 01:39:49 AM »
Dread Necromancers should be on there too.  I think they get one or two spells a level early.  Their only unique spell is Greater Harm, which is just like Harm, only it's lamer and higher level.  But they also get a bunch of otherwise divine only spells as arcane spells, which can occasionally be useful.

Archivist are theoretically there but since they only use other lists that doesn't matter much.

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Re: Thou shalt not lose caster levels vs. Artificer
« Reply #86 on: December 21, 2009, 01:48:41 AM »
Archivist are theoretically there but since they only use other lists that doesn't matter much.
Actually, the fact that they use other lists is part of what makes them so important.  A Paladin-based scroll of Lesser Restoration is 50g market, since a Paladin must be at least CL2 to cast first-level spells.  However, an Archivist-using-Paladin-list scroll of Lesser Restoration is 25g market.  The Archivist can keep lower spell levels, while sometimes/often lowering minimum caster level, reducing prices.
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Re: Thou shalt not lose caster levels vs. Artificer
« Reply #87 on: December 21, 2009, 02:20:10 AM »
Hmm, fair enough.

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Re: Thou shalt not lose caster levels vs. Artificer
« Reply #88 on: December 21, 2009, 09:00:43 PM »
Archivist are theoretically there but since they only use other lists that doesn't matter much.
Actually, the fact that they use other lists is part of what makes them so important.  A Paladin-based scroll of Lesser Restoration is 50g market, since a Paladin must be at least CL2 to cast first-level spells.  However, an Archivist-using-Paladin-list scroll of Lesser Restoration is 25g market.  The Archivist can keep lower spell levels, while sometimes/often lowering minimum caster level, reducing prices.


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This is how you make a lot of your more ambitious crafting projects affordable as an Artificer. If you know how to get high level spells early, you have something to offer an artificer build. Blastificers especially need to learn this type of thing, since they go through wands so many charges at a time.
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