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Re: 3.5 Reuild Poll Part 57: Critical Hits
« Reply #40 on: December 22, 2009, 03:25:58 AM »
The obvious question here is whether critical hits actually need changing or not.  Do they?  I'm not sure that they do.

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Re: 3.5 Reuild Poll Part 57: Critical Hits
« Reply #41 on: December 22, 2009, 08:47:50 AM »
I know it's been said before.
I think the current system is good, because it keeps the game more or less predictable...
Wound/VP System: Too much chance to one hit.
Con Damage: Issue with con less critters and it heavily favors ppl with many attacks, to the point, where optimizing for critical hits, for a twf char isnt an option, but a neccesity.

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Re: 3.5 Reuild Poll Part 57: Critical Hits
« Reply #42 on: December 22, 2009, 09:42:18 AM »
3)  Regeneration and Fast Healing no longer heal you completely if you've taken critical hits.  Theoretically a troll could be killed by enough critical hits without ever using fire.
That is a weird side-effect.  I wonder if it would be worth while to let creatures with regeneration heal Con damage, or possibly any physical ability damage.  Given that it's not typically an ability that PCs use, it probably wouldn't be much of an issue.

That, however, would have the side-effect of letting regenerating creatures heal most poison damage, but that might not be a bad thing either.  Interesting...
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Re: 3.5 Reuild Poll Part 57: Critical Hits
« Reply #43 on: December 22, 2009, 11:55:09 AM »
Well, you could always make Greater Regeneration(regenerates ability damage), Superior Regeneration(regenerates negative levels), etc etc. Same goes for Fast Healing.
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Re: 3.5 Reuild Poll Part 57: Critical Hits
« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2010, 07:08:19 PM »
I actually put together a critical table based on the damage of the weapon. Sneak attackadds 1 to the damage roll per die rather than adding in the sneak attack damage to the damage check. Coup de Grace always counts as max weapon damage if target's fort save fails. x3 weapons add 2 to the damage roll, x4 adds 4 to the damage roll before consulting the chart below. Light wounds last 24 hours of natural healing, Moderate lasts 1 week, serious lasts 1 month, critical is crippling unless successfully healed with a heal check DC 25 over the course of 3 months. A wound effect can be negated by the application of an equivalent cure or healing spell, Deadly wounds require the application of Heal or similar magics to reverse. When applied to targets larger than Medium or smaller than Small size, each category adjusts the number of ticks in it by 1(thus, a size huge creature has 1-5 light, 6-10 moderate, 11-15 serious, 16-20 critical, 21-25 deadly, 26+ killing, while a tiny creature has 1-2 light, 3-4 moderate, 5-6 serious, 7-8 critical, 9-10 deadly, 11+ killing)
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4-6Moderate. Leg: -5 movement. Arm: -1 to attack/damage. Head: -2 to all skill checks. Body: Fatigued.
7-9Serious. Leg: movement speed halved, any movement attempted forces a balance check DC 15 or fall prone. Arm: Cannot attack with affected arm, gain no shield bonus from affected arm. Head: Fort save (dc 10+damage dealt) or fall unconscious, -2 penalty to Int, Wis, and Cha until naturally or magically healed. Body: Bleeding 1 con per round until treated with at least 5 points of curative magic or a dc 20 heal check, also gains 1 level of fatigue every 3 rounds while bleeding occurs.
10-12Critical. Leg or Arm: Maimed. Affected limb cannot be used for any purpose. If leg, falls prone. Bleed 1 con per round until treated with at least 5 points of curative magic or a DC 20 heal check, also gains 1 fatigue level per 3 rounds of bleeding. Head: Falls unconscious(no save), fort save(DC 10+ damage dealt) or die imediately. If successful, -4 to Int, Cha, and Wis until magically restored. Body: Severe bleeding. 3 con per round until treated with at least 15 points of magical healing or a DC 28 heal check. Immediately exhausted, falls unconscious unless bleeding stops before target's next action.
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16+Killing. Regardless of location, a wound of this severity kills the target outright.
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This crit damage system is great for flavor but vastly empowers the critical hit and called shot (my ruling is that a called shot if successful takes a -4 to the damage roll for effect) so balance is a little wonky. Spells that can crit are treated like weapons, except that in the case of multiple dice they count the single highest die roll and then add 1 for each additional die(searing ray deals normal damage but on the crit roll has the effect of the highest rolled die +3). I also like it because you have more realiztic approximations of scars, and there's actually a REASON for the Regeneration spell.
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Re: 3.5 Reuild Poll Part 57: Critical Hits
« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2010, 02:29:47 AM »
Don't have them do extra HP damage. Have them do ability damage, 1d6 or 1d8 to an ability score of the attacker's choice. Higher amounts for higher multiplier weapons. It simulates striking a vital area a lot better, in my opinion, and it allows crits to keep properly scaled a lot better than HP damage, because ability scores don't change nearly as rapidly. At any given level, somebody who gets critted with a scythe is basically down, for instance.
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