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Re: PoDunk - the smallest Thorp
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2009, 08:41:46 AM »
Kyton 1 ... body is Chain. Gets Exotic WP in Chains and can do reach 10' with it, needs more stuff.
Wait, would a level 1 kyton be... just a chain? :p
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Re: PoDunk - the smallest Thorp
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2009, 12:03:34 PM »
Kyton 1 ... body is Chain. Gets Exotic WP in Chains and can do reach 10' with it, needs more stuff.
Wait, would a level 1 kyton be... just a chain? :p

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Re: PoDunk - the smallest Thorp
« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2009, 06:12:11 PM »
A chain, yes, and with a hidden "yanking" to the Jangling (wink) Hiter (wink wink).
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Re: PoDunk - the smallest Thorp
« Reply #43 on: August 17, 2009, 06:16:46 PM »
Kyton 1 ... body is Chain. Gets Exotic WP in Chains and can do reach 10' with it, needs more stuff.
Wait, would a level 1 kyton be... just a chain? :p

Makes you wonder what composes all the other Level One monsters?  Is a low level Gauth just one eye?  That instead of stunning just dazes the opponent?  And if there was a second Tarrasque, and they produced offspring, would it be anything like this? http://oots.wikia.com/wiki/Monster_In_The_Darkness
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Re: PoDunk - the smallest Thorp
« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2009, 09:06:16 PM »
Dragon Magazine material !!

Dragon #349 has Chameleon Crafting feat.
Need to be able to cast one spell, manifest one power, and have a specific item crafting feat.
So that's 4 feats, or use racial abilities.

Psi-race with (ps) ability, one of those (sp) zero-level spells feats in Complete Arcane, Imprint Powerstone feat, Cham.Craft.feat
Now we can make Powerstones with Arcane spells on them, opening up the semi-infinity powerstone trick to arcanes.
Then, the Drider can provide a pile of spells.

Any feats/races that get Divine (sp) at 1st level ??
If so, that'll let divines onto the powerstone trick !!

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Re: PoDunk - the smallest Thorp
« Reply #45 on: August 20, 2009, 09:03:53 AM »
what semi-infinity powerstone trick?
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Re: PoDunk - the smallest Thorp
« Reply #46 on: August 20, 2009, 06:06:24 PM »
Powerstones
After a few years, the psi-board noticed that powerstones in the XPH/SRD have a loop.
3 times through - make Psicraft check DC 15+power level , 1 full round , draw AoO
and you activate a Powerstone without discharging it.
The powerstone has to be on your list, and no higher than your normal level.
Commentary - this is useless during combat, as in ditch 3 full rounds of activity, to gain 1 casting of X.

Immediately this was recognized as very powerful, but only out of combat.
It is by far the simplist recharge set-up, in that there's no recharging at all, just well planned use of a powerstone.
You are down 1 feat, and a small pile of cash + exp. No much of a cost vs. the return on the investment.

CPsi nerfed strangely a small collection of powers and the powerstone trick.
None of the nerfs were well received by the psi-board, except for the powerstone nerf.

What absolutely does not go away,
is the exact same loop, without the powerstone, can be done on a follow psionic manifester.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicPowersOverview.htm#manifestAnUnknownPowerFromAnothersPowersKnown
Technically the powerstone version is more expensive, and therefore not as overpowered.
CPsi didn't nerf the "manifest An Unknown Power From Anothers Powers Known".

Personally I like it so I keep it.
Otherwise its easy as pie to do it without the powerstone, just have it on the list.
2 Character with the same Hidden Talent feat.
Go back and forth between the two, never spending a powerpoint.
The powerstone version ends up being s slight nerf on this.

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Re: PoDunk - the smallest Thorp
« Reply #47 on: August 20, 2009, 09:02:55 PM »
Pun-Pun at level 1.

Pre-Pun: Just like Pun-Pun but not yet ascended.
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Re: PoDunk - the smallest Thorp
« Reply #48 on: August 20, 2009, 10:20:10 PM »
grr ...  :fo

EDIT:
oops I mean
grr ....  :fu

OK, so unascended.
As in Pazuzu had something else to do that day besides give out a Wish ...  :rollseyes
Same build, different "Help" (read lesser).

Sure why not.
And then something to do with the fairly high Know Religion check, BoVD sacrifices !!
With enough Warforged self-replicating going on, there will be enough sacrificeable humanoids to get a low level version of the Thrallherd Sacrifice loop.
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Re: PoDunk - the smallest Thorp
« Reply #49 on: August 21, 2009, 09:08:18 AM »
Pun-Pun at level 1.

Pre-Pun: Just like Pun-Pun but not yet ascended.
Pre-Pun heard about Pazuzu in a book which was written by a drunk sage as a joke - he doesn't actually exist. Now he has an overspecialised build which can't do anything.
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Re: PoDunk - the smallest Thorp
« Reply #50 on: August 22, 2009, 10:42:39 AM »
Pun-Pun at level 1.

Pre-Pun: Just like Pun-Pun but not yet ascended.
Pre-Pun heard about Pazuzu in a book which was written by a drunk sage as a joke - he doesn't actually exist. Now he has an overspecialised build which can't do anything.
:lmao

what about something like this:
the sacrificial dude.
human psion 1
knowledge religion modifier:
take 20
+4 ranks
+4 int mod
+4 call to mind
+3 skill focus
+1 shard
+3 psicrystal
=39. now for the ritual modifiers.
+1 for ceremony of at least an hour
+2 for altar
+1 for good aligned
+1 for torture
+1 for 1-5 HD
+1 for duped willing(or would summoned creatures count as genuinely willing?)
=46.
that means we can choose a number of nifty evil effects, the coolest ones being greater planar ally, limited wish, and control weather.
gets his sacrifices from the drider.
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Re: PoDunk - the smallest Thorp
« Reply #51 on: August 22, 2009, 11:31:32 AM »
Gotta make that summon last for at least an hour.
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Re: PoDunk - the smallest Thorp
« Reply #52 on: August 22, 2009, 03:24:43 PM »
umm ... it's gotta be a Commoner 1 or Expert 1 in PoDunk, not the Psion.
But that's not a problem,
just throw in a small pile of Aid Anothers, ala a Nanobots type approach.
Problem solved.

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Re: PoDunk - the smallest Thorp
« Reply #53 on: August 22, 2009, 04:21:27 PM »
can't take 20 or 10, its a knowledge check you can fail. reread sacrifice rules (recently DMed an evil campain, they sure did sac alot....)
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Re: PoDunk - the smallest Thorp
« Reply #54 on: August 22, 2009, 05:25:45 PM »
can't take 20 or 10, its a knowledge check you can fail. reread sacrifice rules (recently DMed an evil campain, they sure did sac alot....)
You can take 10 on checks you can fail.  You just can't take 20.
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Re: PoDunk - the smallest Thorp
« Reply #55 on: August 22, 2009, 05:31:38 PM »
can't take 20 or 10, its a knowledge check you can fail. reread sacrifice rules (recently DMed an evil campain, they sure did sac alot....)
You can take 10 on checks you can fail.  You just can't take 20.
Heck, you can take 20 on checks you can fail too, but you take the consequences of failing a bunch of times (presumably, as often as you would have failed).
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Re: PoDunk - the smallest Thorp
« Reply #56 on: August 22, 2009, 06:11:19 PM »
yeah, but then you need 20*victims, making it far more efficient to just sac just one.  in addition, there are special rules about "taking 10" and 20 on knowledge checks: mainly, "no if I recall.
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Re: PoDunk - the smallest Thorp
« Reply #57 on: August 22, 2009, 06:13:25 PM »
If that's a rule, it's nowhere in the SRD.

Are you perhaps confusing it with aid another or UMD?
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Re: PoDunk - the smallest Thorp
« Reply #58 on: August 22, 2009, 06:19:38 PM »
check the player's handbook in the skills section, each skill has a "yes/no" about whether or not you can take 10. believe me, my players really wished that they could take 10.... because when it comes to sacrifices, you set the DC yourself. if you do not make the DC you set, the sacrifice fails. so my players were basically setting each DC to [modifiers]+1 (in case they got a nat 1 on the roll).

really, check the rules, it IS that annoying.
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Re: PoDunk - the smallest Thorp
« Reply #59 on: August 22, 2009, 06:25:11 PM »
I don't see any "Take 10" entries under the Knowledge skill, nor any others for that matter. Not even in my PHB. Are you looking at "Try Again", perhaps?
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