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Okay, so what about swarms that are immune to fire?
Set yourself on cold
What if it's a Half-Red, Half-Green, Half-Blue, Half-White, Half-Emerald Dragon, turned undead, with the swarmshifter template? :P

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So from the gist of this, it's not a good idea to throw swarms that cast spells or have otherwise powerful attack options on an unprepared party unless parts of the party can hide and/or protect themselves from any or most of the swarm's attacks until such time that the spell casters have sorted things out.
Oh no, it's a great idea. Teach them a lesson.  :smirk
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My greenbound druid got schooled by a couple of swarms.... at level 2

I actually took the rootwalker ACF after that just to deal with them a bit!!!

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Force bows work on swarms don't they?
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Okay, so what about swarms that are immune to fire?
Set yourself on cold
What if it's a Half-Red, Half-Green, Half-Blue, Half-White, Half-Emerald Dragon, turned undead, with the swarmshifter template? :P

Um, pray and kiss your ass goodbye?

On a serious note, is there a guide somewhere to playing through a campaign as a tier 5/6 character? Seems that would be an interesting read.
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Sounds fine to me.
probably over on "Off-topic".
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Trouserfang dwarf.
So that would be like a dwarf with fangs that ... nevermind

What if it's a Half-Red, Half-Green, Half-Blue, Half-White, Half-Emerald Dragon, turned undead, with the swarmshifter template?
turned? So... like it runs from the party?   :eh

On a serious note, is there a guide somewhere to playing through a campaign as a tier 5/6 character? Seems that would be an interesting read.
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Trouserfang dwarf.
So that would be like a dwarf with fangs that ... nevermind

It's a dwarf with pants full of venomous cobras.
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Trouserfang dwarf.
So that would be like a dwarf with fangs that ... nevermind

It's a dwarf with pants full of venomous cobras.
Which, dispute the insanity inherent in that concept, is actually rather nice at low levels.

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In case one hasn't googled "Trouserfang dwarf", the build is based mainly off one feat. The feat says whenever your character makes a save against poison, it gains hp. So there are snakes constantly biting your character, giving it hp.
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That's some impressive thread necromancy there, guys.  :P
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Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
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Okay, so what about swarms that are immune to fire?
Set yourself on cold
What if it's a Half-Red, Half-Green, Half-Blue, Half-White, Half-Emerald Dragon, turned undead, with the swarmshifter template? :P

Um, pray and kiss your ass goodbye?

On a serious note, is there a guide somewhere to playing through a campaign as a tier 5/6 character? Seems that would be an interesting read.
outrun it. Swarm speed is slow for those. When he turns back from being a swarm, hit him with any decent weapon. He'll have very few HP with all those cr boosting templates tacked on :P

Conversely, Turn it. It'll have so few HD because of all the CR boosting templates, nearly anything can insta-death it.
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Okay, so what about swarms that are immune to fire?
Set yourself on cold
What if it's a Half-Red, Half-Green, Half-Blue, Half-White, Half-Emerald Dragon, turned undead, with the swarmshifter template? :P

Um, pray and kiss your ass goodbye?

On a serious note, is there a guide somewhere to playing through a campaign as a tier 5/6 character? Seems that would be an interesting read.
outrun it. Swarm speed is slow for those. When he turns back from being a swarm, hit him with any decent weapon. He'll have very few HP with all those cr boosting templates tacked on :P

Conversely, Turn it. It'll have so few HD because of all the CR boosting templates, nearly anything can insta-death it.
And swarms are treated as having 1/2 their normal HD for Turn/Rebuke.  He'll light up like a torch.
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Conversely, Turn Command it via Rebuking, and enjoy your new uber-pet.
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Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
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Conversely, Turn Command it via Rebuking, and enjoy your new uber-pest.
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Set yourself on fire.

Swarms can't catch you if you're on fire.

Unearthed Arcana p. 92 Controlled Immolation.

If you catch on fire, you take no damage.

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Set yourself on fire.

Swarms can't catch you if you're on fire.

Unearthed Arcana p. 92 Controlled Immolation.

If you catch on fire, you take no damage.

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It's easier just to get fire resistance 6 or greater, then voluntarily fail your reflex save to put out the fire every round.
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for the sake of info from the SRD:

Spider Swarm CR1
Bat Swarm CR2
Rat swarm CR2
Locust swarm CR3
Centipede swarm CR4
Hellwasp swarm CR8, DR 10/ Magic, Fire Resistance 10

or someone could finish this list from here:

http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/mainlist.pl

Swarm, Abyssal Ant Aberration Fiend Folio
Swarm, Bat Animal Monster Manual v.3.5
Swarm, Bonespider Outsider Dungeon #119
Swarm, Brood Keeper Larva Magical Beast Monster Manual III
Swarm, Centipede Vermin Monster Manual v.3.5
Swarm, Cinder Elemental Monster Manual III
Swarm, Cranium Rat Average Pack Magical Beast Fiend Folio
Swarm, Cranium Rat Greater Pack Magical Beast Fiend Folio
Swarm, Cranium Rat Lesser Pack Magical Beast Fiend Folio
Swarm, Death Scarab Undead Sandstorm
Swarm, Dread Blossom Plant Monster Manual III
Swarm, Ephemeral Undead Monster Manual III
Swarm, Ettercap Brood Aberration Dragon #343
Swarm, Hellwasp Magical Beast Monster Manual v.3.5
Swarm, Locust Vermin Monster Manual v.3.5
Swarm, Murder of Crows Animal Tome of Magic
Swarm, Needletooth Animal Monster Manual III
Swarm, Plague Ant Vermin Fiend Folio
Swarm, Rat Animal Monster Manual v.3.5
Swarm, Scarab Beetle Vermin Fiend Folio
Swarm, Scorpion Vermin Sandstorm
Swarm, Sheengrass Plant Web
Swarm, Shimmerling Fey Monster Manual III
Swarm, Spider Vermin Monster Manual v.3.5
Swarm, Sun Fly Outsider Book of Exalted Deeds
Swarm, Swamp Strider Vermin Monster Manual III
Swarm, Verx Aberration Dragon #281
Swarm, Viper Animal Fiend Folio
Swarm, Wasp Vermin Fiend Folio

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Pft. setting yourself on fire is great... provided you're level 18 and can burn two feats.


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Or just be a lesser azerblood or a fey'ri or something.  There are a few planetouched with fire resistance 10.
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