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Dash Jump!
« on: July 16, 2009, 02:51:47 PM »
I just read Up The Walls, and I came to this revelation: nothing in the RAW says that you can't end your movement by standing on the ceiling. It just says that you need a Horizontal Surface.

Anyway I came up with that when trying to find a way to Air Dash. Basically my idea was Wind Walk + Skate + Up the Walls means that you can run through the air however you please. Anyone have a better idea on how to do it? And yes, I do know about the fly spell.
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Re: Dash Jump!
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2009, 02:54:39 PM »
Quote from: woodenbandman on July 16, 2009, 02:51:47 PM
Anyway I came up with that when trying to find a way to Air Dash. Basically my idea was Wind Walk + Skate + Up the Walls means that you can run through the air however you please. Anyone have a better idea on how to do it? And yes, I do know about the fly spell.
There's a soulmeld (airstep sandals, I think) which grants you a fly speed for the duration of a move action. The sudden leap manouver can be used in midair.
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Re: Dash Jump!
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2009, 02:55:29 PM »
Ah, excellent catch on Sudden Leap.

The base for this will be either a Neraph of a Thri-Kreen. Both get a racial bonus on jump.
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Re: Dash Jump!
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2009, 03:04:58 PM »
There are a couple movement skill tricks in Complete Scoundrel that may give you some additional options.
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Re: Dash Jump!
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2009, 03:05:21 PM »
"Use-activated or continuous" boots of wall of ectoplasm which require 5 ranks in Jump would cost 101,000gp - expensive, sure, but you can create a small platform beneath your feet to stand on as a free action whenever you want. :D

You might be able to get away with an ML 1 version for 14,400gp. If the boots require a psicrystal to be attached to function, you could get them as low as 9,600gp. :smirk


EDIT: Corrected prices - wall of ectoplasm is 1 min/level, not 1 round/level like wall of force.
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Re: Dash Jump!
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2009, 03:20:53 PM »
Quote from: Prime32 on July 16, 2009, 03:05:21 PM
"Use-activated or continuous" boots of wall of ectoplasm which require 5 ranks in Jump would cost 202,000gp - expensive, sure, but you can create a small platform beneath your feet to stand on as a free action whenever you want. :D

You might be able to get away with an ML 1 version for 28,800gp. If it requires a psicrystal to be attached to function, you could get it as low as 19,200gp. :smirk
Add Artificer shenanigans to bring that down by a crapload :D
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Re: Dash Jump!
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2009, 03:24:02 PM »
Combining the cheapest version with boots of skating comes to 15,900gp by the way.
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Re: Dash Jump!
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2009, 02:29:27 AM »
These are good suggestions. I'm looking for a way around the restriction of air walk that says you can't fall. Sudden Leap is good, as are the boots (though that's not quite how they work, i'd imagine).

If this works out well, I'll have fun throwing this at my players.
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Re: Dash Jump!
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2009, 09:02:54 AM »
Quote from: woodenbandman on July 17, 2009, 02:29:27 AM
These are good suggestions. I'm looking for a way around the restriction of air walk that says you can't fall. Sudden Leap is good, as are the boots (though that's not quite how they work, i'd imagine).
Well, wall of ectoplasm is dismissable.

Try giving them to a warforged with the Unarmoured Body feat - have them store them with a brutal surge battlefist and a suit of armour in a ring of arming which is held by the psicrsytal.

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*sigh* No-one pointed out the reference. :pout
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Re: Dash Jump!
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2009, 11:29:34 AM »
Quote from: woodenbandman on July 16, 2009, 02:55:29 PM
Ah, excellent catch on Sudden Leap.

The base for this will be either a Neraph of a Thri-Kreen. Both get a racial bonus on jump.

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Re: Dash Jump!
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2009, 12:41:05 PM »
Quote from: Prime32 on July 17, 2009, 09:02:54 AM
Quote from: woodenbandman on July 17, 2009, 02:29:27 AM
These are good suggestions. I'm looking for a way around the restriction of air walk that says you can't fall. Sudden Leap is good, as are the boots (though that's not quite how they work, i'd imagine).
Well, wall of ectoplasm is dismissable.

Try giving them to a warforged with the Unarmoured Body feat - have them store them with a brutal surge battlefist and a suit of armour in a ring of arming which is held by the psicrsytal.

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*sigh* No-one pointed out the reference. :pout
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Re: Dash Jump!
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2009, 11:26:32 PM »
Can I do a double jump by jumping normally and activating Sudden Leap?
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Re: Dash Jump!
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2009, 08:07:02 AM »
Quote from: Endarire on July 19, 2009, 11:26:32 PM
Can I do a double jump by jumping normally and activating Sudden Leap?

Technically, you can activate swift actions at any time during your turn, including during spellcasting, and since according to Rules Compendium swift actions don't interrupt spells, I think it would be a safe bet to say this applies to maneuvers and jumping too.
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Re: Dash Jump!
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2009, 12:00:09 PM »
:) Double Jump. It makes every other game better! Why not DnD?
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Re: Dash Jump!
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2009, 06:32:06 PM »
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Can I do a double jump by jumping normally and activating Sudden Leap?

Only because the rules don't specifically mention you needing anything other than a running start to effectively jump (and even so there are ways around that).
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Re: Dash Jump!
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2009, 07:06:10 PM »
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Can I do a double jump by jumping normally and activating Sudden Leap?

Only because the rules don't specifically mention you needing anything other than a running start to effectively jump (and even so there are ways around that).
And because Sudden Leap says that you move the distance indicated by your Jump check. It doesn't say you actually have to jump. Heck, you could jump straight down.
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Re: Dash Jump!
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2009, 11:00:21 PM »
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Can I do a double jump by jumping normally and activating Sudden Leap?

Only because the rules don't specifically mention you needing anything other than a running start to effectively jump (and even so there are ways around that).
And because Sudden Leap says that you move the distance indicated by your Jump check. It doesn't say you actually have to jump. Heck, you could jump straight down.

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Re: Dash Jump!
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2009, 07:02:53 PM »
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Can I do a double jump by jumping normally and activating Sudden Leap?

Only because the rules don't specifically mention you needing anything other than a running start to effectively jump (and even so there are ways around that).
And because Sudden Leap says that you move the distance indicated by your Jump check. It doesn't say you actually have to jump. Heck, you could jump straight down.

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