Mr. Charismatic

[rubberduck]

human paragon is more because of the feat and the skills and less about the bonus to charisma

also i wonder what would be the best armor i could wear...
when counting that i ignore 10% arcane spell failure and am proficient with light armor

[BowenSilverclaw]

Basic armor for my casters has always been +1 Twilight Mithral Chain Shirt paired with Mithral Chahar-Aina and Dastana.

+6 Armor bonus, +1 (or higher if you invest more into it) enhancement, 0% ASF.

Anything with a +7 or better base Armor bonus and 20% or lower ASF?

[rubberduck]

so i guess
mithral breastplate 4200gp asf 15% +5 AC  -1 armor check penalty
twilight +1 asf -10%

Twilight mithral breastplate +1// +6 AC/ -1 Armor check/ 5% asf  costs --> 8200gp

heavy mithral shield +2 AC asf 5% costs --> 1020gp

together i get
+8 AC
asf 10% (ignored thanks to class abilities)
for 9250gp

in comparison bracers of armor +8 cost 64000 gp

[BowenSilverclaw]

Yeah, and the Chain Shirt + Chahar-Aina + Dastana still comes out ahead

[rubberduck]

 i have done lots of updates and they all can be found in the very first post.

i am still looking for suggestions on the spells.
there are still question marks left.
also i have no idea about the spells i get from the fiend-blooded...

[rubberduck]

What is the best mount in your opinion?

Since technically when i started this thread it was about getting a pit fiend mount.
Which is possible, but yet i am not sure whether this is really optimized...

Granted a pit fiend is a nasty badass but on the other hand i could get a Linnorn(Monster Manual 2) earlier
which has casting like a 17th level Cleric...

Another valuable option would be a Nightmare or his greater brother the Chauchemar
Astral projection, etherealness at will is pretty much invincibility.

any other, better idaes?

[BowenSilverclaw]

Either a Dragon or the Linnorm is what I'd go with.

If you want to get extra cheesy, the Zhentarim Skymage only talks about HD, so feel free to slap on a couple of templates

[The_Mad_Linguist]

You know, a heavily templated dragonwrought kobold is still a dragon.   .

Taste the rainbow with your black, green, red, white, and blue loredrake dragonspawn abomination.

[archangel.arcanis]

i personally like the nightmare just so you can constantly duplicate all of your items and laugh at the economy.

[BowenSilverclaw]

You know, a heavily templated dragonwrought kobold is still a dragon.   .

Taste the rainbow with your black, green, red, white, and blue loredrake dragonspawn abomination.

Just slap on Half-Fiend to make it fly and some size-increasing template so you can be Small instead of Tiny (or give it that feat that lets it carry a rider of it's own size)


Since we're talking about Pit Fiends and Kobolds though, are there any rules about bipedal mounts?

[The_Mad_Linguist]

With the right feats, kobolds can fly on their own.

[archangel.arcanis]

well if we are just talking about templates how about adding psuedonatural and paragon. Thats how I roll when i want someone to get sick when free templates are allowed.
I actually did this to one of my friends. He was starting a game and told everyone they got a free template of their choice, i told him this was a bad idea but he insisted. I made a paragon human warlock to get the bonus to all invocations. Then i made a real character for the game. It got my point across though.

[rubberduck]

Of course all of this really depends on how much charisma i can acquire ...

Basically the best bet is the Linnorn or the Nightmare
Linnorn Despite having only 13hd can cast like a 17th level Cleric which means Miracle everyday!
(unlike Pitfiend which can "only" cast a wish once a year)
both are Cr20

if templates are free go for:
[spoiler]Giant Squid (Animal) 26 Str, 17 Dex, +6 NA, 10 tentacle attacks, 1 bite attack, swim 80', constrict, improved grab, +8 swim
Warbeast (Animal) +3 Str, +10' move
Woodling (Animal) +7 Natural Armour, 1 Slam attack
Magebred (Animal) +4 Str, +2 Dex, +2 NA, +10' move, Improved Natural Attacks
Voidmind (Animal) +4 Str, +2 Dex, +4 NA, +4 Bluff, Escape Artist and Intimidate, Improved Grab, One Tenticle attack, +4 to grapple
Half Golem [Brass, Clay, Dragonflesh, Flesh, Iron, Stained Glass, Stone] (Animal) +56 Str, -14 Dex, +52 NA, +2 Fortitude saves, Rage when damaged, 2 keen claw attacks
Anthropamorphic (Humanoid)
Katane (Humanoid) +2 Str, +2 Dex, +4 Listen, Hide, Move Silently and Spot
Ghul (Humanoid) +2 str, +4 Dex, +2 Climb and Jump, Bite Attack
Half-Satyr (Humanoid) +2 NA, +2 Perform
Half-Nymph (Humanoid) +2 Dex
Half-Rakshasa (Humanoid) +2 Dex, +4 NA, +10' movement
Half-Janni (Humanoid) +2 Str, +2 Dex, +1 NA
Draconic (Humanoid) +2 Str, +1 NA
Feral (Monsterous Humanoid)
Half-Troll (Giant) +6 Str, +2 Dex, +4 NA, Rend
Half-Ogre (Giant) +4 Str, +2 NA
Half-Scrag (Giant) +6 Str, +2 Dex, +4 NA
Half-Minotaur (Giant) +4 Str, +2 NA, Gore attack, +2 search
Half-Fey (Fey) +2 Dex, Fly speed (x2 land, good)
Spell-warped (Aberration) +4 Str, +2 Dex, +2 NA
Half-Dragon [x30, see MM and Draconomicon] (Dragon) +240 Str, +120 NA
Winged (Dragon)
Multiheaded (+2 heads, learnean) (Dragon)
Paragon (Dragon) +15 Str, +15 Dex, max Hp +12/HD, x3 speed, +24 AC, +25 hit, +20 damage, +13 special attack DCs, +10 saves, +10 skills, +2 feats (take as weapon focus (tentacle) and multi attack)
Effigy (Construct) +4 Str, -2 Dex, Con -, Int -, Wis 11, Cha 1, +2 NA, DR 3/Adamantine
(should be legal if applied in that order! The Creature has 47 Halfs but hey RolePlay-Genetics^^
it should equal more or less: 328 Str // 52 Dex // 215 Na apart from other minor goodies like keen claws, flying, multiple heads and things like search and Preform +2  
[/spoiler]

[Havok4]

That is probably one of the most terrifying creatures ever conceived. Especially if you start thinking of its family tree.

[rubberduck]

mother-in-law would properly still say he it is a chip off the old block.  

ok i guess i will try to get the mini cleric dragon ;-)
which seems to be achievable and powerful enough.

if my gamemaster should go against that i take a nightmare.
he's gonna let that one go... even the drawing at the cover of the book shows a zentharim riding a nightmare

no matter the way it's a win
Pitfiend is made of win
Linnorn is made of cleric(win)
Nightmare is made of win(invincible and economy ruining)

[rubberduck]

since i have done even more updates i updated the first post...
i delayed fiend-blooded so i can snatch Favor of the Martyr becoming immune to daze which helps with clelerity ;-)

any idea how to get rid of the second sorcerer level? :-D its the only thing that does not give anything^^