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crafting loop
« on: April 21, 2009, 09:09:50 AM »
items cost 1/3 of their price in materials, right?
this has been used in the "use one warforged to craft three warforged" trick.

well, how much do the materials to craft the materials cost? how about that materials materials?  with enough time (flowing time traits and/or fabricate, im looking at you!) could you conceivably craft ANY item for the price of a rock you find on the ground?

sure, magic items would still cost xp, but paying 1/infinity times the gold price of an item is a hell of a lot better than paying 1/2 times the price.
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Re: crafting loop
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2009, 09:12:50 AM »
With enough time, you can generate arbitrarily large amounts of money with the profession/perform/sleight of hand skill.

It's still not worth it.
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Re: crafting loop
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2009, 09:18:28 AM »
what about an artificer who wants to craft an expensive item at a relatively low level? like, say, a flask of endless water at level 7?
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Re: crafting loop
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2009, 11:00:53 AM »
This isn't news, the only thing stopping you is a DM/Lifespan/Time.
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Re: crafting loop
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2009, 12:01:33 PM »
Uh... how about you can't CRAFT materials beyond a certain point? You've got to mine them or cut down dem trees.
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Re: crafting loop
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2009, 12:16:11 PM »
Quote from: Brainpiercing on April 21, 2009, 12:01:33 PM
Uh... how about you can't CRAFT materials beyond a certain point? You've got to mine them or cut down dem trees.

Fabricate + eschew material components.
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Re: crafting loop
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2009, 02:34:38 PM »
Quote from: The_Mad_Linguist on April 21, 2009, 12:16:11 PM
Quote from: Brainpiercing on April 21, 2009, 12:01:33 PM
Uh... how about you can't CRAFT materials beyond a certain point? You've got to mine them or cut down dem trees.

Fabricate + eschew material components.
Thats tricky, though, b/c eschew only gets rid of components > 1gp, and crafting requires 1/3 of the cost of the item in materials...

Still, chain fabricate stuff (make a 3 gp item, then a 9 gp item out of that, then a 27 out of that, etc...).
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Re: crafting loop
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2009, 04:53:52 PM »
Quote from: Anklebite on April 21, 2009, 09:09:50 AM
  with enough time (flowing time traits and/or fabricate, im looking at you!) could you conceivably craft ANY item for the price of a rock you find on the ground?


Kinda like someone finding the rock and crafting it to smelt iron ore from it, then crafting the ore to refine it, then crafting the refined metal into parts, then crafting the parts into a multi-million dollar fighter jet?

Nope, can't think of any examples of that happening in real life. ;)
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Re: crafting loop
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2009, 05:34:50 PM »
Quote from: Caelic on April 21, 2009, 04:53:52 PM
Quote from: Anklebite on April 21, 2009, 09:09:50 AM
  with enough time (flowing time traits and/or fabricate, im looking at you!) could you conceivably craft ANY item for the price of a rock you find on the ground?


Kinda like someone finding the rock and crafting it to smelt iron ore from it, then crafting the ore to refine it, then crafting the refined metal into parts, then crafting the parts into a multi-million dollar fighter jet?

Nope, can't think of any examples of that happening in real life. ;)
I always wondered how much ore went into a fighter jet...
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Re: crafting loop
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2009, 06:32:32 PM »
Quote from: veekie on April 21, 2009, 05:34:50 PM
I always wondered how much ore went into a fighter jet...
Depends entirely on their OS and Programming.  Yuk yuk yuk...
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Re: crafting loop
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2009, 06:33:52 PM »
Quote from: jameswilliamogle on April 21, 2009, 06:32:32 PM
Quote from: veekie on April 21, 2009, 05:34:50 PM
I always wondered how much ore went into a fighter jet...
Depends entirely on their OS and Programming.  Yuk yuk yuk...
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But yeah, it depends on a lot of factors, including among others size, methods of construction, use of composite materials etc. :)

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Re: crafting loop
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2009, 06:59:40 PM »
Quote from: BowenSilverclaw on April 21, 2009, 06:33:52 PM
Quote from: jameswilliamogle on April 21, 2009, 06:32:32 PM
Quote from: veekie on April 21, 2009, 05:34:50 PM
I always wondered how much ore went into a fighter jet...
Depends entirely on their OS and Programming.  Yuk yuk yuk...
*headdesk*

But yeah, it depends on a lot of factors, including among others size, methods of construction, use of composite materials etc. :)
And how many feats they need for the rest of the build. 
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Re: crafting loop
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2009, 07:12:19 PM »
So, if I had a prisoner that was forced to break rocks into other rocks, and told him to use the craft rules, would his labor result in three other rocks the same size ?
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Re: crafting loop
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2009, 07:13:04 PM »
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Re: crafting loop
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2009, 01:57:48 PM »
Quote from: BowenSilverclaw on April 21, 2009, 06:33:52 PM
Quote from: jameswilliamogle on April 21, 2009, 06:32:32 PM
Quote from: veekie on April 21, 2009, 05:34:50 PM
I always wondered how much ore went into a fighter jet...
Depends entirely on their OS and Programming.  Yuk yuk yuk...
*headdesk*

But yeah, it depends on a lot of factors, including among others size, methods of construction, use of composite materials etc. :)


Guess we've got a small mountain going there.
A mountain we get by siccing a crew of laborers to break orc blocks into chunks with the Craft skill.
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Re: crafting loop
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2009, 05:47:40 PM »
Quote from: bayar on April 21, 2009, 07:12:19 PM
So, if I had a prisoner that was forced to break rocks into other rocks, and told him to use the craft rules, would his labor result in three other rocks the same size ?

I'm using this next time I have a character in prison.

DM: "You have to do hard time while here. They give you a hammer."
Me: "Okay, I make a craft (rocks) check. Give it a couple weeks, I'll have the quarry overflowing with rocks, no one will be able to stop me walking away."
DM: "Wait...what? No! What? DAMNIT!"
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Re: crafting loop
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2009, 09:20:16 PM »
So, theoretically, one could use this skill on an atom and produce three atoms?

Dear god, we're creating matter (without magic, no less)...Physics, please bend over.
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Re: crafting loop
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2009, 12:40:24 AM »
Quote from: Bozwevial on April 25, 2009, 09:20:16 PM
So, theoretically, one could use this skill on an atom and produce three atoms?

Dear god, we're creating matter (without magic, no less)...Physics, please bend over.
HAH!

The atoms would need to have a half-life >6 seconds, so there is that...
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Re: crafting loop
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2009, 12:52:46 AM »
I'm certain some radioactive isotopes have extremely long half-lives. Perhaps this is how third-world countries stockpile nuclear weapons without us catching on...
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Re: crafting loop
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2009, 02:58:19 AM »
That's why you take ranks in Craft (The Planes).

And I'm not talking Boeing.
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