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« on: April 21, 2009, 01:56:22 AM »
The requirements are 3.5. anything. well, almost anything, based on DM discretion.

This campaign is going from 1-20, so i need something that isn't too painful at lower levels, while staying useful at higher levels. Currently, i would like...

Halfling Rogue 7/ Master Thrower 5/ Whatever 8.

but this could change. I could be a Wizard, but i dunno... not exactly appealing. As a Wizard i might go...

Gnome Wizard 5/ Shadowcraft Mage 5/ Something 5/ Archmage 5

or similar. I'd like some ideas on my Rogue and my Wizard please. Remember, nothing too silly, and it needs to be explained with a backstory, so...
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Re: New Character
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2009, 02:06:57 AM »
Stats?


The something in the Wizard build can be filled with either Incanatrix 5 (or 8, dropping a few levels of Archmage), War Weaver, or you drop 2 levels of Wizard and grab 7 levels of Master Specialist (Complete Mage).

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Re: New Character
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2009, 02:07:49 AM »
I'd look at some halfling outrider as well it's mobility works pretty well with the master thrower.

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Re: New Character
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2009, 02:33:14 AM »
Stats are 32 point buy.

Races are PHB only. shoulda amended that, but i didn't read over my post very well apparently. I would prefer to be a Dwarf, just because there are a lot of exciting bonuses and negatives that various races from the various castes (essentially nobility, scholars, middle class and slaves) get. AFAIK, Nobility includes any Sorcerers, a single Dwarf clan, a couple elf houses, the royal family (of half-elves), and some human families. Scholars are any Clerics, Wizards and Druids, as well as Historians. the Middle class is mostly merchants and craftsmen, while the lowest class is slaves and soldiers. The atmosphere of the world is ripe for a Leninist revolution, now that i think about it.

I don't want to be dipping very much for just abilities, as that is frowned upon. I'd like most of the PrCs to be complete and whole. I'm thinking about Druid 5/ MoMF 10/Warshaper 5...

Although, i'd prefer a Wizard more if i can survive levels 1-4 without dying too often, and I might like a rogue since the campaign will be oriented around city-crawling.

Dwarf (not rogue), Hlafling(probably rogue) or Gnome(wizard, for ScM) is preferred!



EDIT: What kind of Swordsage would a Dwarf turn out to be? focusing on SH, DM and the Tiger one, and eventually going into Bloodstorm Blade.
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Re: New Character
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2009, 02:41:21 AM »
Dwarf Ranger 2/Lion Totem Barbarian 1/Fighter 2/Fist of the Forest 3 (only 3 levels long)/Deepwarden 2 or more/Something badass

Might have the order of the prestige classes mixed up, but you get Con to AC twice, among other things. Pick up Steadfast Determination along the way for Con in place of Wis modifier to will saves.

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Re: New Character
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2009, 04:14:26 AM »
Gnome Binder 1/Wizard (or Sorc) 2/Anima Mage 10/ Shadowcraft Mage 5/ something 2 (not in that order) is insanely strong and useful at all levels.

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Re: New Character
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2009, 08:17:20 AM »
EDIT: What kind of Swordsage would a Dwarf turn out to be? focusing on SH, DM and the Tiger one, and eventually going into Bloodstorm Blade.
SS needs Wis, so I guess your lower CHA doesn't matter :rollseyes
Racial bnous to CON is always good, as you only get d8 hitdice.
Other Stats depend on your choice of STR-based(no feats needed) or DEX-based(needs Weapon Finesse + Shadowblade)

Bloodstrom Blade looks for Iron Heart Maneuvers as prerequisite(IIRC you need 1 strike & 1 stance), so it might be better to get a Dwarf Warblade.
Depending on your selection from SH, you could, of course use the Martial Study/ Stance feats on Iron Heart for Bloodstorm Blade and be a Swordsage.
Diamond Mind and Tiger Claw are availible to both, so it doesn't matter, which martial adept class you belong to.

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Re: New Character
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2009, 11:04:21 AM »
Human Psychic warrior 20.

Choose your powers and feats well (make sure to pick up a 1st level swift-action power and the Linked Power feat - from Complete Psionic), and you're golden.
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Re: New Character
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2009, 12:21:37 PM »
Ugh. No psionics, please. I just got my head around ToB.

Of the three classes in ToB, i like Swordsage the best. I just like their flavour more than a Warblade, although Warblade recovery mechanics are really good....

So, Warblade 5/ Bloodstorm Blade 5/ Master Thrower 5/ Warblade 5

Gives me some good throwing power. I think. If i use returning attacks, then use the warblade recovery mechanic, then do a flourish or something, i get one attack a round...

What about Jade Phoenix Mage? Swordsage (or Warblade...) 1/Wizard 5/JPM10/Archmage 4

Warblade is d12, so it makes more sense from an optimization standpoint, but Swordsages are more scholarly, and so fit into the campaign world closer to wizards, probably closer to getting an apprenticeship than warblades. Just something to think about.
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Re: New Character
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2009, 12:51:39 PM »
Currently, i would like...

Halfling Rogue 7/ Master Thrower 5/ Whatever 8.

You'd probably want to combine this with 5 levels of Invisible Blade to make it work better.  The only problem with this build, is you're throwing 1d3 damage knives, and even if you can TWF your way to more than 6 knives thrown per round, anything with even a small amount of DR is going to be nearly invulnerable to you unless you can sneak attack it.
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Re: New Character
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2009, 03:29:39 PM »
Ugh. No psionics, please. I just got my head around ToB.

If you know your way around magic, psionics is actually easier.

The basic differences are as follows:

A.) There's no arcane spell failure, so you can cast freely in armor.

B.) Power points from different sources (race, different classes, etc) pool, unlike spell slots which are specific to class, and you cannot spend more power points on any one manifestation than your Manifester Level (so a 3rd level psion can only spend 3 pp on a single power). There are a few ways to temporarily increase your ML, but they tend to have consequences (such as taking damage from the Overchannel feat).

C.) Very few powers scale freely, so you have to pay additional pp to 'augment' a power (and most powers have specific effects you can spend power points on, which increase the effective DC and other effects).

D.) Instead of somatic, verbal, and material components, psionics has 'psionic displays' which alert creatures in the area to your position. You can suppress displays with a Concentration check.

E.) Psions, unlike wizards, must specialize in a psionic discipline, which is the psionic equivalent of a school of magic (though a variant in Complete Psionic overrides this). As a result, they gain additional class skills, and access to powers that are unique to their discipline. You can access powers from other disciplines (or from another class's power list) only if you spend time and XP on research, or if you take the Expanded Knowledge feat.

F.) And lastly, 'psionic focus'. You make a DC 20 Concentration check as a full-round action to gain focus (which is cut to a move action with a feat). By itself, all it does is allow you to 'expend your focus' (meaning you become unfocused) as a free action to 'take 15' on a Concentration check. However, you can get feats and class features which have specific effects if you're currently psionically focused, or if you expend your focus, such as metapsionics. Metapsionic feats work like metamagic, except you have to expend your psionic focus in order to activate one, and it's one focus per metapsionic feat (so unless you gain feats or class abilities that grant you extra foci, you can only ever use one at a time).

...And other than a few minutia here and there, that's it.
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Re: New Character
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2009, 04:08:06 PM »
Dwarf Ranger 2/Lion Totem Barbarian 1/Fighter 2/Fist of the Forest 3 (only 3 levels long)/Deepwarden 2 or more/Something badass

Might have the order of the prestige classes mixed up, but you get Con to AC twice, among other things. Pick up Steadfast Determination along the way for Con in place of Wis modifier to will saves.

Whilst it's delicious from a RAW perspective, I'm a bit concerned with the Fist of the Forrest rules. Namely, not owning stuff, stealing/killing to eat, having to be close to a forrest for the majority of the time... it puts strain on a "normal" party.
Awell as the obligations between the Greenkeepers (IIRC, that's their name) and your Dwarven afilliations.

From a Throwing perspective, some ideas:

Drows of the Underdark, Fighter substitution level (doesn't require Drow): Loose medium and heavy armor prof. aswell as tower shields and cannot gain them back unless you spend feats on them. In return, +2 to intiative and DEX to flat-footed targets within 30".

Dragon Compendium, Deadeye. Feat. Gives DEX to ranged damage, but BAB req. makes it your 18 level feat unless you have 13 levels in full base attack before level 15. Ignore that. Errata tells me the BAB req. dropped from +14 to +1. Bo-yha!

Dragon Magazine #310, Targeteer fighter variant class. Relevant ability, DEX to ranged damage.

Swashbuckler, Complete Warrior. Int to damage (not 100% sure on RAW, but it should work).

Now, this is precision damage. So with the Master Thrower trick of tossing 2 daggers with each attack, only 1 of the daggers gain the extra damage, along with any sneak damage. So, unless your DM changes those rules, your best bet is to choose some other trick, since all that it would give you is another, separate d4 points of damage.

Wand of Blur, Blurs-something Armor or Greater Blurstsomething Armor (MiC) are ways to ensure flat-footedness at higher levels.
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Re: New Character
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2009, 09:40:08 PM »
Ya, fist of the Forest aint gonna work well...

What about Swordsage/Warblade 5/Bloodstorm Blade 10/ Something else 5? I like Swordsage mostly for Shadow Hand, although Desert Wind seems good too. For Warblade i would focus on everything but WR, probably.

Something else could be almost any PrC from Complete Warrior, some from Complete Scoundrel or Adventurer, more Swordsage/Warblade, etc. If i go Swordsage, more swordsage is probably good.

Druid 20 is always good. possibly Druid 5/MoMF 10/Warshaper 5, since i really won't need high level druid casting in this group of mostly non-optimizers. Probably the most optimized I could find would be a Wizard. not specialized, but a wizard with lots of PrCs.

Lastly, Rogue 2/ Swashbuckler 3/Master Thrower 5/Invisible Blade 5/Whatever 5. This idea is my least favourite, but still works. Using daggers as thrown weapons, with as many sneak attacks as possible.
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Re: New Character
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2009, 04:59:40 AM »
Gnome Binder 1/Wizard (or Sorc) 2/Anima Mage 10/ Shadowcraft Mage 5/ something 2 (not in that order) is insanely strong and useful at all levels.

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Binder/Wizard or Sorc /Anima Mage is for all seasons.

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Re: New Character
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2009, 10:11:38 AM »
Gnome Binder 1/Wizard (or Sorc) 2/Anima Mage 10/ Shadowcraft Mage 5/ something 2 (not in that order) is insanely strong and useful at all levels.

http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=18028156&postcount=62

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Can you use flaws?

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Re: New Character
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2009, 11:57:19 AM »
No flaws, no traits.

I'm dubious about Tome of Magic, just like Psionics. I'd prefer to stay with systems i know about.
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Re: New Character
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2009, 12:05:32 PM »
Tome of Magic is weak, and Psionics is pretty easy to pick up. I fount it more intuitive than the standard Vancian spellcasting.

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Re: New Character
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2009, 01:27:54 PM »
Tome of Magic is weak, and Psionics is pretty easy to pick up. I fount it more intuitive than the standard Vancian spellcasting.
And Bard's suck.

(Seriously, ToM is not weak.  Weaker than blow-you-away spellcasting at L17, but still not weak.)

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Re: New Character
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2009, 12:05:29 AM »
Meh. Binders were the only good thing in that book.

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Re: New Character
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2009, 12:12:34 AM »
Meh. Binders were the only good thing in that book.

Shadowcaster was fairly weak, and Truenamer was just flat out broken, as in "doesn't work well at all" broken.