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Need help Maximizing a potential Warlock build
« on: March 25, 2009, 04:18:07 PM »
Hey I am back again. Unfortunately, with the luck I had, my duskblade was killed to save the party's life. So I an working with a Warlock for the campaign

So Far, this is what I have

Talos
CN Hellbred (Body)
Warlock 4

Strength 10
Dexterity 16
Constitution 16
Intelligence 14
Wisdom 14
Charisma 8

HP 36
DR 1/Cold Iron
Armor Class: 22 (+1 Mithral Chain Shirt, +3 Dex +3 Natural Armor +1 Ring of Protection)
+7 Fort
+4 Reflex
+5 Will

Invocations Known
Entropic Warding
Baleful Utterance
Frightful Blast

Feats

Hellbred Bonus Feats
Devil's Favor
Devil's Stamina

Standard Feats
Devil's Flesh
Great Fortitude


I was thinking more on building the power behind my own Eldritch blasts and exploiting the Maximum Amount of Damage. Since this is more of an Anti-Hero type thing, I am not really looking to play Eldritch Disciple, since the need to stay neutal gives me some freedoms (for stories sake) to do both and good and evil things without a prediliction for both.

I was thinking possibly
Warlock 15/ Hellfire warlock 3/Wizard 3(abjuration)/ Eldritch Disciple10/Master Specialist 10(Or Wild Soul)

Taking into account that this build may not be entirely that good, I am working with a somewhat unreasonable DM at the moment. While I can fight and carry a respectable load for myself, my main focus will be being able to establish some form of Crowd Control With Eldritch Chain and Hellfire Blast along with notable invocations that will ground me here. I chose a wizard Specialisation in Abjuration, considering we have a divination Wizard, but he doesn't really deal in counterspelling effects (?) and at the higher levels, it gives me something to do If in case I have need to aid the party outside of my normal routines. This is a non Charisma based Warlock, because as you can see, I don't value much on Charisma based skills save intimidate (and that we also have someon inthe party that primarily is relegated to such duty :D ) I might be able to actually to fight if needed, but likely than not, it will not be so required.

Most Theme Specific books, the feats may be allowed but the classes... are not
Tome of Battle/Magic isnt allowed
Complete Scoundrel/ Psionics aren't allowed

What I am looking for here is to create a more structured path for this character as well as some feats that can let me get more damage out of it.

Thanks

Edit: Stats were rearranged to better optimize this build. Please.. don't refer me to books that My DM will not allow. I cannot add classes and feats from books that are generally deemed not permissible by the DM. Thank You
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Re: Need help Maximizing a potential Warlock build
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2009, 06:51:33 PM »
Aw c'mon guys. I know I suck at Min/Maxing (or run into DM's who kinda are restrictive in most ways) But help me out here, please :P

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Re: Need help Maximizing a potential Warlock build
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2009, 07:29:18 PM »
You're planning the build to level 41?  How are you planning to address the con loss from hellfire warlock?
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Re: Need help Maximizing a potential Warlock build
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2009, 08:21:53 PM »
With a cha of only 8 I'd avoid any invocations that require have a save DC

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Re: Need help Maximizing a potential Warlock build
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2009, 08:33:33 PM »
You're planning the build to level 41?  How are you planning to address the con loss from hellfire warlock?
I'd suggest adding a level of Binder.
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Re: Need help Maximizing a potential Warlock build
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2009, 11:44:19 AM »
You're planning the build to level 41?  How are you planning to address the con loss from hellfire warlock?

Ability damaged will be addressed with wand of restoration, lesser and/or rest (since damage can be recovered, drain cannot)

what book is Binder in?

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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2009, 11:59:05 AM »
what book is Binder in?
Tome of Magic. One level will let you bind Naberius, which grants you fast healing 1 for ability damage.
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Re: Need help Maximizing a potential Warlock build
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2009, 12:03:31 PM »
How bad do you actually want the maximum eldritch blast damage (pre-epic)?   :banghead

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Feats: 3=item familiar, 6=least legacy, 9=empower SLA, 12=quicken SLA, 15=maximize SLA, 18=open

Binder 1
Warlock 6 = 3d6 eldritch blast, Eldritch Spear and Darkness then Fell Flight and Hellrime Blast invocations, detect magic, DR/1 cold iron

Hellfire Warlock 3 = +2d6 per class level -> 6d6+6d6(bloodlines), another +2d6 from warlock, Eldritch chain [first level of this is taken after first level in Legacy Champion unless your DM is a pain*]

Legacy Champion 10 = 8 hellfire warlock levels ->16d6 and 4d6 from warlock along with 4 greater invocations (vitriolic blast, enervating shadow, devour magic and eltritch cone) and 3 dark invocations (dark discorporation, retributive invisibility and utterdark blast)

Grab the Mortalbane feat for 2d6 more on the attack (due to the modifying language it seems to change the base damage like Hellfire Blast) five times per day. The Warlock's scepter allows you to blow 5 charges once a day to gain 4d6 Eldritch blast damage (MIC 63). Chasuble of Fell Power (greater) adds another 2d6 and Gloves of eldritch mixture can add 4d6 once a day. Lets add Plunging shot for 2d6 and if really want either psionic weapon->great psionic weapon or precise shot -> Psionic shot -> Greater psionic shot for 4d6. Hell, for shits and giggles you can even throw in Aberration Banemagic for another 2d6 if you hurt an aberration.

Basically you are an almost fully maxed out warlock with a 42d6+14d6 hellfire Eldritch blast (1d6 less on nonliving targets, 2d6 less if not an aberration) from 250' away while hidden with full concealment... If you had 5 non-abberation live enemies in sight you could Enlarge (free from Hellfire warlock), Quicken, and Maximize Eldritch Chain to do 390-450 to the 1(twice or 2) primary target(s) and 195-225 to the 4 secondary targets for a total of 1570-1860 damage which can bypass any non-acid immune creature's SR thanks to vitriolic blast. Or you could always swap in Eldritch Glave and give go a Eldritch version of "The Masochist" allowing you to (with a wand of tensor's transformation) do 1950-2250 with haste every time they try to get a melee iteration on you (Reflex for half at DC33+cha mod). If you go that route do NOT forget to power attack (shock trooper is up to you and I have no idea about Leap Attack)
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Re: Need help Maximizing a potential Warlock build
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2009, 12:08:43 PM »
what book is Binder in?
Tome of Magic. One level will let you bind Naberius, which grants you fast healing 1 for ability damage.
Ermm... I kinda mentioned a head of time that the DM will not let us use that book.

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Re: Need help Maximizing a potential Warlock build
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2009, 12:14:05 PM »
what book is Binder in?
Tome of Magic. One level will let you bind Naberius, which grants you fast healing 1 for ability damage.
Ermm... I kinda mentioned a head of time that the DM will not let us use that book.
Sorry. I missed that. I'm not at all sure why you have a 16 Str, and only 14 Dex and Int, and 8 Charisma, though. You're a warlock/wizard... Are you going to beat them over the head with your spellbook or what?
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Re: Need help Maximizing a potential Warlock build
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2009, 12:22:00 PM »
what book is Binder in?
Tome of Magic. One level will let you bind Naberius, which grants you fast healing 1 for ability damage.
Ermm... I kinda mentioned a head of time that the DM will not let us use that book.
Sorry. I missed that. I'm not at all sure why you have a 16 Str, and only 14 Dex and Int, and 8 Charisma, though. You're a warlock/wizard... Are you going to beat them over the head with your spellbook or what?

In regards to the strength score: To barely what gear and armor I could wear, I needed a decent strength score. INT was dropped because of Body Aspect of being a Hellbred. I am still evaluating whether I can get more on a Dex score. And depending on what I was thinking, I was probably going to drop strength to a 14 in favor of getting more on dexterity.
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« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2009, 12:34:07 PM »
You need a 16 Str to wear a mithril chain shirt?  ??? Can't you use Bags of Holding, Handy Haversacks, etc?
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Re: Need help Maximizing a potential Warlock build
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2009, 02:27:32 PM »
If you're planning to epic levels, is there a particular reason you're not taking epic warlock feats?

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Re: Need help Maximizing a potential Warlock build
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2009, 02:32:42 PM »
You need a 16 Str to wear a mithril chain shirt?  ??? Can't you use Bags of Holding, Handy Haversacks, etc?
Ermm... I am at fourth level at the moment, so having bags of holding is a bit outta my budget. That, and I still have to carry things such as Bedrolls, food and watet supplies that sort of a thing. That and eventually a spellbook and spell component pouch. I do need a decent strength score (since I am not playing an elf, I lost the ability to trance and eliminate 10 lbs from my load)

And yes I am planing to go epic, but I was unaware of these feats, hence why I am asking for specific suggestions.

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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2009, 03:30:22 PM »
Ermm... I am at fourth level at the moment, so having bags of holding is a bit outta my budget. That, and I still have to carry things such as Bedrolls, food and watet supplies that sort of a thing. That and eventually a spellbook and spell component pouch. I do need a decent strength score (since I am not playing an elf, I lost the ability to trance and eliminate 10 lbs from my load)
How about a pack mule? Riding Dog (those are still good for combat at that level, too)? Or just ask one of the party beatsticks to carry some of your heavier items? Putting a 16 in Str for a caster is a huge freakin' waste, unless they're going to be primarily focusing on buffing and meleeing.
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Re: Need help Maximizing a potential Warlock build
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2009, 03:54:21 PM »
Ermm... I am at fourth level at the moment, so having bags of holding is a bit outta my budget. That, and I still have to carry things such as Bedrolls, food and watet supplies that sort of a thing. That and eventually a spellbook and spell component pouch. I do need a decent strength score (since I am not playing an elf, I lost the ability to trance and eliminate 10 lbs from my load)
How about a pack mule? Riding Dog (those are still good for combat at that level, too)? Or just ask one of the party beatsticks to carry some of your heavier items? Putting a 16 in Str for a caster is a huge freakin' waste, unless they're going to be primarily focusing on buffing and meleeing.

I just reduced my strength score to a 10, making wisdom a 14 and dex 16

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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2009, 04:29:04 PM »
I just reduced my strength score to a 10, making wisdom a 14 and dex 16
You can edit the first post by hitting "modify".
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Re: Need help Maximizing a potential Warlock build
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2009, 05:02:12 PM »
Perhaps you should shape a soulmeld.

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The Legend RPG, which I worked on and encourage you to read.

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Re: Need help Maximizing a potential Warlock build
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2009, 05:12:02 PM »
Perhaps you should shape a soulmeld.

umm... I kinda aforementioned that Magic of Incarnum is not being used by DM rules.

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« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2009, 05:36:01 PM »
Well bugger. Seems like your DM is bent on draining the fun out of the experience.

In that case, may I recommend along with your wands of lesser restoration.

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Orb of Mental Renewal MIC 167 and Rod of Bodily Restoration MIC 173. 3,100 GP each. 3 charges per day, restore 4/6/8 to (int, wis, cha - orb) or (con, str, dex - rod), or half that to all three stats. They make great party purchases - restore a BIG chunk of lost ability damage without resorting to lesser restoration.

And the Belt of Magnificence, which gives +6 to all stats for 250K, from the Miniatures Handbook.
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