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Re: Zeal's (in-progress) Tier System for PrCs
« Reply #260 on: March 08, 2010, 12:26:05 AM »
Contesting ratings: Archmage, Unseen Seer.

Archmage: This class has been considered a staple for years. It may be overshadowed by other classes now, but you lose very little (aside from a feat and spell slots, thanks to Master Specialist). It's entry method should not be viewed as Wizard X, but as Wizard 3/Master Specialist 4/PrCx Y. Even a 2 level dip provides some potent abilities (such as being able to turn a 5th level spell slot into an extra Greater Celerity).

Unseen Seer: Strictly superior to Arcane Trickster, and does not require Rogue levels to enter. It even allows you to take levels in another Rogue/Wizard dual class PrC (Daggerspell Mage, Arcane Trickster, etc).


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Re: Zeal's (in-progress) Tier System for PrCs
« Reply #261 on: March 08, 2010, 01:39:22 AM »
1)  What do you believe the correct rating of those two PrCs should be?

2) This thread is the most current and well-organized version.  Suzerain took over when I disappeared for a while, but hasn't updated it in half a year.  Think I should make a new version of the thread, get it all back up and running again?

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Re: Zeal's (in-progress) Tier System for PrCs
« Reply #262 on: March 08, 2010, 02:26:26 AM »
If you want. I've been very active in all the tier threads. I believe you were the second attempt (the first was true fail) to use the system I initially disliked (its fine by now, considering the work...)

So I believe you have the right  :)
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Re: Zeal's (in-progress) Tier System for PrCs
« Reply #263 on: March 08, 2010, 11:22:17 AM »
Significant backlog and declining interest in the discussions originally led to me not updating the thread. Then I suffered from lack of time for anything. I was really only waiting for someone to kick my ass so I'd move :P

I also thought about using the Handbook Writer account for a possible "new" thread, so more people could edit it. The downside being, more people can edit it. I feel there needs to be consensus among us peers here and that of course requires adjudication. If we trust each other not to step on each other's toes too much, maybe that'd work...

So, I don't really know the best way out of this. While I will be able to work on this the rest of the month, after that, I predict far less time to maintain it. It depends on you guys to tell me/us what you want.

edit: Actually, nevermind. Sonofzeal, if you've got the time, do go on and make a new thread. I don't want to keep you. I'll help when I can, but I don't want to bring this project into jeopardy by clinging to it and yet not being able to maintain it. I'll happily give you your baby back ;)
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Re: Zeal's (in-progress) Tier System for PrCs
« Reply #264 on: March 08, 2010, 02:07:42 PM »
1)  What do you believe the correct rating of those two PrCs should be?

2) This thread is the most current and well-organized version.  Suzerain took over when I disappeared for a while, but hasn't updated it in half a year.  Think I should make a new version of the thread, get it all back up and running again?

Unseen Seer is easily +1. Archmage is +1 with Master Specialist entry, or +0 without.


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Re: Zeal's (in-progress) Tier System for PrCs
« Reply #265 on: July 13, 2010, 06:42:52 PM »
What would the list of "Equal" PrC's, narrowed down specifically for "Equal assuming only Tier 3 Base classes are available in the game?"  So I guess you would take out all the PrC's that the Tier 3 classes can't easily get into without obscure tricks, and then figure out, of the ones that remain, which Prestige Classes do not remove the Tier 3 classes from their Tier... has anyone compiled a list?
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Re: Zeal's (in-progress) Tier System for PrCs
« Reply #266 on: July 14, 2010, 03:09:05 AM »
I highly doubt anyone has put that much work into such a specific problem

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Re: Zeal's (in-progress) Tier System for PrCs
« Reply #267 on: July 14, 2010, 04:23:03 AM »
Well, given that PrCs tend to be rated on their usability for the best class (see: rainbow servant), just using the list of +0 as is shouldn't have any major issues.
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Re: Zeal's (in-progress) Tier System for PrCs
« Reply #268 on: July 14, 2010, 11:46:20 AM »
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