Author Topic: Polymorph, Wild Shape and Shapechange, oh my! (comparison charts) (Read 56250 times)

Solo · « **Reply #20 on:** February 18, 2009, 02:19:11 AM »

If PCs could turn into bacteria, it would break the game.

Just imagine how much XP the Spanish Influenza would have gotten.

CannibalSmith · « **Reply #21 on:** February 18, 2009, 03:44:58 AM »

None, cause it was effortless.

Brainpiercing · « **Reply #22 on:** February 18, 2009, 04:29:12 AM »

Quote from: CannibalSmith on February 18, 2009, 03:44:58 AM

None, cause it was effortless.

Not really, but all that XP from killing a million Lvl 1 commoners would have to be shared by a gazillion OTHER PCs.

Oh, and I'm pretty certain any sort of inluenza are viri, and not bacteria, so you need a category yet smaller.

CannibalSmith · « **Reply #23 on:** February 18, 2009, 04:40:22 AM »

Viruses!

Brainpiercing · « **Reply #24 on:** February 18, 2009, 04:43:04 AM »

Quote from: CannibalSmith on February 18, 2009, 04:40:22 AM

Viruses!

Damn that seems to be correct.

PhaedrusXY · « **Reply #25 on:** February 18, 2009, 01:39:29 PM »

They would all still be considered Fine.

Optimator · « **Reply #26 on:** February 18, 2009, 08:08:21 PM »

Quote from: PhaedrusXY on February 18, 2009, 01:39:29 PM

They would all still be considered Fine.

Commoners must be pretty healthy in the D&D world since you can only cram so many viruses into a five-foot square.

Chemus · « **Reply #27 on:** February 18, 2009, 09:37:11 PM »

bacteria and viruses have the swarm subtype.

Optimator · « **Reply #28 on:** February 19, 2009, 12:35:18 AM »

Of course...

Surreal · « **Reply #29 on:** May 09, 2009, 02:55:14 PM »

Fixed a typo in the main page and updated all the files. I accidentally had shapechange showing you gained SLAs, but that's not true.

BowenSilverclaw · « **Reply #30 on:** May 09, 2009, 03:12:13 PM »

It's a common oversight.

But it's not like you really need them, once you get Shapechange you get pretty much everything interesting out there in one way/form or the other

awaken DM golem · « **Reply #31 on:** May 09, 2009, 04:35:27 PM »

Typo ?!
TYPO !!

Given all the Polymorph revisions, and rules "updates" ; I'm not surprised it's taken Surreal + 10 years of 3rd edition , to get it right.

Didn't K/Franks interpretation of the last Poly update, include getting the spellcasting ... because of it not being ex/su/sp/??

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Quote from: Brainpiercing on February 18, 2009, 04:29:12 AM

... all that XP from killing a million Lvl 1 commoners ...

Oh, believe it or not, there really is a cap on exp gained from slaughtering low level pikers.
Greater Deities would see this coming from 20 weeks ahead of time.
A few might want it to happen, though ...

... deity battle.

BowenSilverclaw · « **Reply #32 on:** May 09, 2009, 04:37:57 PM »

Yeah, there are some pretty valid arguments for Polymorph/Draconic Polymorph granting spellcasting.

Omen of Peace · « **Reply #33 on:** May 09, 2009, 05:50:03 PM »

Shapechange allows any type (including undead, construct, outsider) unlike Polymorph.
"it enables you to assume the form of any single nonunique creature (of any type)"

BowenSilverclaw · « **Reply #34 on:** May 09, 2009, 05:56:31 PM »

Yes, it certainly is a step above Polymorph. I don't think anyone was disputing that though

Omen of Peace · « **Reply #35 on:** May 09, 2009, 08:19:08 PM »

Uh ? I'm referring to the 2nd line in the Shapechange column, which isn't very clear on what types it allows. It seems to build up on the Polymorph entry ("also incorporeal or gazeous"). Perhaps I just confused myself.

Surreal · « **Reply #36 on:** May 09, 2009, 09:48:03 PM »

No, that was my fault for being unclear. I've revised it now to say "all types, also incorporeal or gaseous". I was probably too preoccupied with trying to trim everything down to fit into the cells and removed more words than I should have

cru · « **Reply #37 on:** May 10, 2009, 11:02:16 AM »

consider mentioning Wilding Clasp in wild shape equipment section

Samb · « **Reply #38 on:** May 10, 2009, 01:39:20 PM »

could someone clarify when you can turn into a construct, outsider, or undead? Like how warforges and psicystals can be turn into contructs, and teilflngs can become outsiders. When in RAW is this stated?

Kuroimaken · « **Reply #39 on:** May 10, 2009, 01:49:52 PM »

Quote from: Samb on May 10, 2009, 01:39:20 PM

could someone clarify when you can turn into a construct, outsider, or undead? Like how warforges and psicystals can be turn into contructs, and teilflngs can become outsiders. When in RAW is this stated?

Warforged are living constructs (which is practically its own type). I believe there's a PrC that "upgrades" them.

As for Tieflings, I figured they were native outsiders already?

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Author Topic: Polymorph, Wild Shape and Shapechange, oh my! (comparison charts) (Read 56250 times)