Build: Ultimately Sublime Magus

[Caelic]

Now: the trick is getting Persistent down to a +5 adjustment; +6 is beyond the capability of the UM to bypass.

Hmm.  I'm not sure it's going to be worth the investment of feats, in the long run.

[jameswilliamogle]

Now: the trick is getting Persistent down to a +5 adjustment; +6 is beyond the capability of the UM to bypass.

Hmm.  I'm not sure it's going to be worth the investment of feats, in the long run.

I was just going to comment on this... I agree.

[Sunic_Flames]

Is there any particular reason you need Wizard 6, 7, and 8 and not random full casting filler with actual class features?

Also, GMI = 88.888% miss chance. You + 8 images. Add Blink and Displacement and 35/36 attacks automatically miss.

[Caelic]

Is there any particular reason you need Wizard 6, 7, and 8 and not random full casting filler with actual class features?

Parsimony.  To me, a good build is like a good recipe--it leaves room for the individual chef to season to taste.  I'd also be leery of adding random classes that didn't have good Fortitude saves--the build is pretty anemic as-is, one of the primary weaknesses.

[PhaedrusXY]

Is there any particular reason you need Wizard 6, 7, and 8 and not random full casting filler with actual class features?

Parsimony.  To me, a good build is like a good recipe--it leaves room for the individual chef to season to taste.  I'd also be leery of adding random classes that didn't have good Fortitude saves--the build is pretty anemic as-is, one of the primary weaknesses.

Doesn't Mindbender have a good Fort. save? That would be a decent dip, and would set you up for Mindsight if you have a free feat.

Nice build, by the way.

[skydragonknight]

Doesn't Mindbender have a good Fort. save? That would be a decent dip, and would set you up for Mindsight if you have a free feat.

Nice build, by the way.

It does. And I was just thinking of that when the words "good Fort Save" were mentioned.
The only downside is it requires you not to ban enchantment...but I forget the prereqs to Prestige Bard so you might have to keep enchantment anyway, in which case it fits perfectly.

lessee...7 wizard levels(instead of 8)+1 sublime chord+4 practiced spellcaster=CL "12"(max 11 for HD) for sublime chord spells pre-ultimate magus.
Pre-ultimate magus you'll have CL 10 for Wizard spells. So the first three single level progressions you can pick Wizard casting. *check book* And there are only 3 single level progressions. You're all clear to take a Mindbender dip.

....1 ahead of wizard when entering ultimate magus...which means the third level of single progression would be sublime chord progression :/