Rainbow Beguiler (cheese entry)

[8w_gremlin]

Skeleton build so far, I would like some help in fine tuning if at all possible.

"Walks Softly" Human beguiler who comes from the lost jungle temples of the Coutals. (someone has too?)

Assumptions:

• Rainbow Servant gives 10/10 spell progression; text trumps tables, in the most current English language version
• Sanctum + Precocious Apprentice = 3rd level spell

Human
Beguiler 1: Feats H:still spell, 1:Precocious Apprentice, F:Sanctum spell, F:Able Leaner
Rainbow Servant 1-10
Mindbender 1 level dip

This gives us;

• Spontaneous beguiler casting with all cleric spells on our spell list (exactly like warmage + rainbow servant)
• Air, Good, Law Domains
• other rainbow servant goodness
• Telepathy 100'

But what then?

[DetectiveJabsco]

you could go incantatrix for more meta magic goodness, you would not get the -1 spell level until post epic though.

[ChristopherGroves]

Warmages go Sacred Exorcist and fish DMM.  Beguiler, not so much.

Is this a TO build?  You can early entry after 4 with a very playable character, but unless you start higher than 4th level or so it's wicked hard to actually play a build with all the early entry conditionals.

[DavidWL]

Hi,

For a build like this, I'd recommend Heighten + Versatile Spellcaster + Sanctum Spell instead of precocious apprentice.  It costs one more feat, but Heighten + Versatile Spellcaster would genuinely get you spells 2 levels earlier. 
See: http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=2816.msg86467#msg86467

Also, the beguiler handbook may have things for you:
http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=2322.0

Here's a beguiler build I made:
http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=365.msg7179#msg7179

For the "cool casting" option, I'd recommend Shadowcraft Mage ... you'd have to give up able learner and still spell, but it gives you even more flexible uberness.

Best,
David

[CantripN]

Or, finish with Nightcloak. Sure, it's no Incantatrix, but Int to Saves is sweet.

[Shiki]

War Weaver? From Heroes of Battle. Meshes well with spontaneously casting every Cleric Spells in existence. Int is arguably a better casting stat. Helps with skill points, etc.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

Contemplative (pick up portal domain, since the spells are great)

[CantripN]

Contemplative (pick up portal domain, since the spells are great)

What am I missing? It's a good suggestion, but why Portal, when Time/Hero/Spirit/Destiny/Spell are so much better?

[Endarire]

The Portal domain grants banishment, a prereq for Sacred Exorcist.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

The summon elemental reserve feat is nice to get acess too, gate and the teleports are lacking on the cleric/beguiler lists as well.

Spell domain isn't so good IMO, since anyspell doesn't function and disjunction zaps your loot, there isn't that much good on the list, and the granted power is pretty bad.

[CantripN]

Am I the only one that uses Anyspell to mean you use the slot you cast it from to store the new spell? That's how all my home groups play it, which makes it simply Divine.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

Am I the only one that uses Anyspell to mean you use the slot you cast it from to store the new spell? That's how all my home groups play it, which makes it simply Divine.

It does specify it has to be prepared in your domain slot.

[CantripN]

Am I the only one that uses Anyspell to mean you use the slot you cast it from to store the new spell? That's how all my home groups play it, which makes it simply Divine.

It does specify it has to be prepared in your domain slot.

I'm aware. Explain how it works for Favored Soul or Archivist who gets it with Initiate of Mystra, though? Regardless of what it says, that's how we use it, since it makes sense.

[DavidWL]

Same interpretation.  It's a house rule, but a reasonable one.  (Particularly in the light of the Initiate of Mystra feat). - David

[The_Mad_Linguist]

Am I the only one that uses Anyspell to mean you use the slot you cast it from to store the new spell? That's how all my home groups play it, which makes it simply Divine.

It does specify it has to be prepared in your domain slot.

I'm aware. Explain how it works for Favored Soul or Archivist who gets it with Initiate of Mystra, though? Regardless of what it says, that's how we use it, since it makes sense.

It doesn't.  Same as how if you get a domain with an ability based on cleric level, by strict RAW you don't get anything.

[DavidWL]

In the player's guide to faerun it says (for Initiate of Mystra):

"Special: The anyspell and greater anyspell spells also appear on the Spell domain list. With this feat, you can cast them as regular cleric spells, not just domain spells."

What does this mean, if you can only cast in domain slots?

Best,
David

[The_Mad_Linguist]

You cast it as a third level spell using your normal cleric spells.

You prepare an arcane spell in your third level domain slot. Presumably this overrides whatever you currently had there.

[CantripN]

Well, technically, the slot doesn't have to be empty. You can read it to say it uses the slot, sure, but even if you cast the Anyspell itself from the Domain Slot, the spell you prepare is now placed into a spent spell slot.

So that means you cast Anyspell from any slot, and it'd go into your Domain Slot, RAW. I suppose that might mean you need one to cast it, but it's not stopping you from casting it multiple times a day.

[DavidWL]

You cast it as a third level spell using your normal cleric spells.

You prepare an arcane spell in your third level domain slot. Presumably this overrides whatever you currently had there.

RAW, that is true.  RAW, it is also true that an erudite 20 can cast 11 different powers of each level, per day.  Sometimes RAI is clear enough ... - David

EDIT:  Also, who says only 1 spell can fit in a domain slot?  *Shrugs*  (Admittedly, also silly)

[LunaticsLament]

Instead of Incantatrix, if you can use some third party, the Metaphysical Spellshaper might work nicely here.