Is Pathfinder a Boon or a Bane?

[Kuroimaken]

Hungry Ghost is lame, but check out the Zen Archer monk down at the bottom of the page. 

8 bonus feats in 6 levels and wis as an attack stat makes for a pretty cool variant archer that challenges an equivalent level fighter or ranger as a ranged combatant while maintaining higher saving throws and remaining decent in melee as well.  Standing in place to flurry-shoot (and therefore gain full BAB) solves one of the monk's main problems. 

At higher levels, you'll have more ranged attacks than any other character (+18/+18/+18/+18/+13/+8/+3), with each arrow dealing your unarmed damage (2d10, or more if large-sized - and why wouldn't you be?), and arrows are automatically lawful and adamantine on top of whatever your bow's giving them.  Add in the homing property, the ability to take AOO's with your bow and not provoke them either, and you have a pretty sweet package altogether. 

Now if only they could do something outside of combat.

Hey, if you want to be completely useless when what you do isn't called for, more power to you...

[Akalsaris]

Hungry Ghost is lame, but check out the Zen Archer monk down at the bottom of the page. 

8 bonus feats in 6 levels and wis as an attack stat makes for a pretty cool variant archer that challenges an equivalent level fighter or ranger as a ranged combatant while maintaining higher saving throws and remaining decent in melee as well.  Standing in place to flurry-shoot (and therefore gain full BAB) solves one of the monk's main problems. 

At higher levels, you'll have more ranged attacks than any other character (+18/+18/+18/+18/+13/+8/+3), with each arrow dealing your unarmed damage (2d10, or more if large-sized - and why wouldn't you be?), and arrows are automatically lawful and adamantine on top of whatever your bow's giving them.  Add in the homing property, the ability to take AOO's with your bow and not provoke them either, and you have a pretty sweet package altogether. 

Now if only they could do something outside of combat.

Hey, if you want to be completely useless when what you do isn't called for, more power to you...

Wait, are you saying that shooting somebody isn't a legitimate answer to every encounter?

[Havok4]

That Hungry Ghost package does have bad fluff and seems rather poor, but it does help the monks issues with ability usage which seems to have gotten even worse in PF due to the introduction of the ki pool.

[Sunic_Flames]

Now if only they could do something outside of combat.

Also has anyone mentioned that just adding "fail" to something does not make it witty or insulting?  I mean fuck, "4.fail?"  How does that even work out?  There's literally no connection there.  It's like if I went "Sunic more like BALLsic hurr hurr."

Wait no, I think mine was actually funnier.

Hi Welcome

The goal is to be descriptive.

Saying 4.Fail both conveys that you are discussing 4th edition, and that 4th edition is a failure all in a single word.

Same for saying Pathfailure, except in regards to Pathfinder.

Now I could write this out each and every time, but as often as I have to point out how terrible these systems are fuck that noise, I'm using shorthand.

The witty and insulting parts come in the details.

Anything else you would like to add? Preferably not things that shift you on the scale towards Paizilhood?

[ProfessorCirno]

Oh no SUnic thinks poorly of me

 

Again, you are acting like a Linux nerd who seriously uses "M$" or "Micro$oft"

[Sunic_Flames]

Oh no SUnic thinks poorly of me

 

Again, you are acting like a Linux nerd who seriously uses "M$" or "Micro$oft"

Descriptive shorthand, fool.

Now, would you like to go back to posting intelligently?

[The_Mad_Linguist]

Saying 4.Fail both conveys that you are discussing 4th edition, and that you are the type of intellectual gnat who, a century ago, would be referring to the Irish as "patties", blacks as "sambos" and Japanese as "nips".

FTFY.

[Sunic_Flames]

Saying 4.Fail both conveys that you are discussing 4th edition, and that you are the type of intellectual gnat who, a century ago, would be referring to the Irish as "patties", blacks as "sambos" and Japanese as "nips".

FTFY.

Comparing someone bashing 4th edition and PF to real world racists = Epic Fucking Fail is Fucking Epic.

Hi Welcome

GFY.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

Yes, because referring to a group of people you dislike via a derogatory term is completely different from referring to a group of people you dislike via a derogatory term.

[Sinfire Titan]

Yes, because referring to a group of people you dislike via a derogatory term is completely different from referring to a group of people you dislike via a derogatory term.

Translation: "Sunic, you are being a bigot."


Estimated response: "GTFO".

[Sunic_Flames]

Yes, because referring to a group of people you dislike via a derogatory term is completely different from referring to a group of people you dislike via a derogatory term.

Because referring to a gaming system, which is what 4th edition and Pathfinder actually fucking reference in a derogatory way is exactly the same fucking thing as hurling racial slurs about?

Now if you are talking about the word Paizil, which we were not until you decided to demonstrate your fucktardedness to our dismay, then we'd be talking about actual people... but even so you're still honestly comparing a term that refers to a number of people that just so happen to play a certain game (as opposed to all of them) to a racial slur (which aside from obviously being far more serious to anyone with an IQ greater than a mother fucking mushroom applies to ALL members of that race, regardless of whether they exhibit certain traits or not) as if the two were in any way comparable.

TML, you are quickly rising up the ladder of mouth breathing fuckwititude, and closing on Faelryinth at surprising speed. With each passing day you become more brain dead and contemptible. Please eviscerate yourself with a rusty buster sword for the good of humanity. Thanks in advance for your cooperation with the Humanity Improvement Project.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

Yes, I realize it's difficult for you to realize how your liberal use of pejorative makes you sound exactly like the type of bigots so disliked by our society. 

After this, perhaps you could consider coming up with new demeaning terms for the Welsh.  After all, it isn't 'racism' if there isn't any difference in race, right?  (my apologies if my assumption about your race is incorrect - if so, substitute the appropriate equivalent)

Oh, and next you can go by Rwanda and make up new slurs for the Tutsis!  After all the only difference between Tutsi and Hutu status is whether or not their ancestors had cows when the Germans came by in 1894.

Now, Sunic, it's easy not to sound like a bigot.  Really easy.  You just have to stop using pejoratives.  You see, every time you use a pejorative, you are effectively adding the sentence "Oh, and by the way, I'm probably a bigot" to any of your posts.  Not including those pejoratives magically makes you seem like a rational person who has intelligent things to say.  I know, it's a big surprise.  I'm surprised.

Now, I can understand why this would make trolling more effective, but I was under the impression that you actually wanted to make a positive contribution to the forum.

[Sunic_Flames]

Hurr durr making fun of people for being stupid is exactly the same as making fun of people based on their race, btw Sunic you're Welsh.

Fixed, and fail.

[Prime32]

Now, I can understand why this would make trolling more effective, but I was under the impression that you actually wanted to make a positive contribution to the forum.

Hurr durr

I'll take that as a no.

[Sunic_Flames]

Now, I can understand why this would make trolling more effective, but I was under the impression that you actually wanted to make a positive contribution to the forum.

Hurr durr

I'll take that as a no.

Because as we all know, randomly insulting someone for no fucking reason makes the forum a better place, right?

In case that was too subtle for you, yes I mean you. And you too TML. You two are the fuckers drawing a practically throwaway comment referring to unintelligent people of a specific kind into some sort of drawn out bullshit fest. Hint: Shut the fuck up and the discussion ends.

[Nytemare3701]

On topic (again): What specific mechanical changes have people liked about pathfinder? I for one am very happy with the Combat Maneuver system.

[McPoyo]

I personally disagree, it's just as broken as in 3.5 for working effectively, except hitting a static number makes it open to a lot more abuse. Knocking a large sized creature 15+ feet every round with a shield bash or other bullrush is ridiculous, and grapplers pretty much autosucceed everything they do now against on-HD threats if they are built for it.

[Nytemare3701]

I like it because of the exact reasons you said. It makes those builds easier to achieve, with less hoop jumping. IMO mundanes needed it.

[McPoyo]

As long as you can spend twicw the feats to do it as it took in 3.5

[juton]

I remember an earlier discussion and it came down to this : how often should a trip-fighter succeed? Most people think it's OK that a Wizard can turn someone into a fucking newt 65% of the the time, but if a Fighter can trip/grapple/disarm someone 65% of the time then the system is broken.