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Re: Going up against gods - kind of
« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2008, 07:30:51 PM »
with a Succubus Divine Rank 2... you get:

Immunity to the following:

transmutations
polymorphing
petrification
any attack that alters its form
energy drain
ability drain
ability damage.
mind-affecting effects.
electricity
cold
acid
disease
poison
stunning
sleep
paralysis
death effects
disintegration


Damage Reduction 10/Epic and cold iron or good

Fire Resistance 7

Spell Resistance 34

what are these Spells you speak of that will be a problem Ubernoob ?

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Re: Going up against gods - kind of
« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2008, 07:31:34 PM »
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Re: Going up against gods - kind of
« Reply #42 on: December 02, 2008, 07:32:25 PM »
i would have picked Know Secrets first in this type of game

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Re: Going up against gods - kind of
« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2008, 07:32:59 PM »
with a Succubus Divine Rank 2... you get:

Immunity to the following:

transmutations
polymorphing
petrification
any attack that alters its form
energy drain
ability drain
ability damage.
mind-affecting effects.
electricity
cold
acid
disease
poison
stunning
sleep
paralysis
death effects
disintegration


Damage Reduction 10/Epic and cold iron or good

Fire Resistance 7

Spell Resistance 34

what are these Spells you speak of that will be a problem Ubernoob ?

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Glitterdust comes to mind.
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Re: Going up against gods - kind of
« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2008, 07:34:11 PM »
wont be too bad... since it doesnt affect Mindsight... which she can get easily

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Re: Going up against gods - kind of
« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2008, 07:35:48 PM »
also Glitterdust will cause even more problems for any other character... she can just Greater Teleport away... or even use ethereal jaunt before the Glitterdust

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Re: Going up against gods - kind of
« Reply #46 on: December 02, 2008, 07:36:36 PM »
wont be too bad... since it doesnt affect Mindsight... which she can get easily

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Mindsight is blindsense.  Doesn't stop you from being flatfooted because you are blind.  Just stops you from being ambushed.

Basically, having 1HD kind of sucks.  That's why I don't play level 1 games.  Too easy to die.  Say, 4-8 HD in an ECL game?  That's pretty manageable with decent con and saves.  1HD is fucking dangerous though.
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Re: Going up against gods - kind of
« Reply #47 on: December 02, 2008, 07:42:13 PM »
Glitterdust is Will Negates vs Blindness.... she can easily make the save

she will have 6HD... thus 48+Con hp.... thus can handle a lot.... but they have to overcome DR and just Hit in the first place.... she will have a Great AC

she will have no problem surviving

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Re: Going up against gods - kind of
« Reply #48 on: December 02, 2008, 07:47:50 PM »
Glitterdust is Will Negates vs Blindness.... she can easily make the save

she will have 6HD... thus 48+Con hp.... thus can handle a lot.... but they have to overcome DR and just Hit in the first place.... she will have a Great AC

she will have no problem surviving

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As I said.  6HD is probably playable.  You seem to have stated that a LA 11 HD 1 creature was though in the quoted post.
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Re: Going up against gods - kind of
« Reply #49 on: December 02, 2008, 07:48:17 PM »
LoM is out as well, sadly, so no Mindsight. Woulda been kind of awesome.
carnivore gave me another idea. With [any class] 3, then race change into Succubus, I'd still get +10 to Cha by ECL 10, or +12 with Level raises. With a starting 18 or 17 in cha, the character would still qualify for Win (that is, Alter Reality), and s/he could pick up Leadership at ECL 7 (as opposed to ECL 12 with Class 2/Succubus or ECL 11 with Class 1/Succubus).
After all, wouldn't it be a waste to qualify for AR and then just not use the huge Cha? ;)
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Re: Going up against gods - kind of
« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2008, 11:04:02 PM »
As I said.  6HD is probably playable.  You seem to have stated that a LA 11 HD 1 creature was though in the quoted post.
what? i never said anything like that

LoM is out as well, sadly, so no Mindsight. Woulda been kind of awesome.
carnivore gave me another idea. With [any class] 3, then race change into Succubus, I'd still get +10 to Cha by ECL 10, or +12 with Level raises. With a starting 18 or 17 in cha, the character would still qualify for Win (that is, Alter Reality), and s/he could pick up Leadership at ECL 7 (as opposed to ECL 12 with Class 2/Succubus or ECL 11 with Class 1/Succubus).
After all, wouldn't it be a waste to qualify for AR and then just not use the huge Cha? ;)
but i would suggest sticking with the Succubus Progression first... and then switching out to other Base Classes... like this:

Succubus 12/ Bard 7/ Sublime Chord 1 .... Pre-EPIC ....

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Re: Going up against gods - kind of
« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2008, 11:55:55 PM »
what really can a 12th lvl character do that this cant ? ....

start as Human Ranger 1
this
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Re: Going up against gods - kind of
« Reply #52 on: December 03, 2008, 06:47:40 AM »
you must START as something... then as your character gets experience... you gain levels... a character that starts as a Human ranger is ECL 1, then when he starts taking levels of the Succubus racial class progression.... his ECL goes up.... by the time he finishes it, he will be ECL 13(Ranger 1/ Succubus 12) with 7 HD

sorry i didnt make it clear enough for you... hope that helps to clear up the misunderstanding you had

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Re: Going up against gods - kind of
« Reply #53 on: December 03, 2008, 08:01:19 PM »
How would this look?
Hexblade 3 going into Succubus. HB 3 gives Cha to saves vs. Spells and Mettle. Paladin's Divine Grace is better than Arcane Resistance, but it doesn't get Mettle (And I flat out hate the CoC). With three Class Levels before Succubus I get to pick up Leadership at 7th and qualify for Alter Reality at 10th. Abilities could look something like this, at level 1: Str 8 (10?), Dex 14, Con 14, Int 12 (10?), Wis 8, Cha 18. Str is prolly less important than Dex in a modern setting, since the most effective weapons around are firearms, which don't need Str.
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Re: Going up against gods - kind of
« Reply #54 on: December 03, 2008, 08:02:51 PM »
The low HD really scares me. 

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Re: Going up against gods - kind of
« Reply #55 on: December 04, 2008, 12:25:03 AM »
The low HD really scares me. 

If she has 7 HD by ECL 9 she can beat the instant death from Cloudkill. Hit point wise she's okay since 6/7 of her first ECL have HD and at ECL 10 she'll instantly have +5 Con(well, +5 everything) from Alter Reality.
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Re: Going up against gods - kind of
« Reply #56 on: December 04, 2008, 01:21:47 AM »
Can you delay entry / progression?

Not that it makes much difference if you go Hexblade 1 / Succubus whatever / Hexblade +2

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Re: Going up against gods - kind of
« Reply #57 on: December 04, 2008, 10:06:04 AM »
Can you delay entry / progression?

Not that it makes much difference if you go Hexblade 1 / Succubus whatever / Hexblade +2
Actually, it does, because once I go Succubus, I have to stick with it all the way IIRC.
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Re: Going up against gods - kind of
« Reply #58 on: December 04, 2008, 11:17:37 AM »
you definately want to go Succubus 12 first.... and use these stats:

10 Str(8 +2 Racial)
20 Dex(18 +2 Racial)
16 Con(14 +2 Racial)
18 Int(12 +6 Racial)
12 Wis(8 +4 Racial)
30 Cha(14 +16 Racial)

all level boosts go to Dex

thus @ 20th , it looks like this:

10 Str(8 +2 Racial)
25 Dex(18 +2 Racial +5 levels)
16 Con(14 +2 Racial)
18 Int(12 +6 Racial)
12 Wis(8 +4 Racial)
30 Cha(14 +16 Racial)

but with Inherent bonuses from Alter Reality ... it looks like this:

15 Str(8 +2 Racial +5 Inherent)
30 Dex(18 +2 Racial +5 levels +5 Inherent)
21 Con(14 +2 Racial +5 Inherent)
23 Int(12 +6 Racial +5 Inherent)
17 Wis(8 +4 Racial +5 Inherent)
35 Cha(14 +16 Racial +5 Inherent)

thus you now qualify for:

DIVINE CELERITY
DIVINE DODGE
FREE MOVE
INSTANT MOVE
SUPREME INITIATIVE


with Weapon Finnesse ... you will be great at Combat(melee or ranged)... and Weapon Focus(Claws), Imp Crit(Claws)... you can take IRRESISTIBLE BLOWS



you will get these abilities far before anyone else



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Re: Going up against gods - kind of
« Reply #59 on: December 04, 2008, 11:25:54 AM »
With a starting 14 in Cha I won't qualify for Alter Reality by 10th, though. Even if I go Succubus straight away, I get +12 Cha by Succubus 9, which amounts to 26 with Cha 14 before Racials, or 28 if I put both stat increases in it. With a 16 starting Charisma, it would work with just one level increase in Cha. With a starting 18, it would work out without any stat increases at all, but that pretty much bars Dex 18 as well.
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