Do we have a dirty trick handbook?

[AndyJames]

Yes, there is, though I totally forget where it's from.

JaronK

Yeah. Me neither and I am AFB right now.

[Bozwevial]

Isn't there also an item called troll gut rope or something to that effect? I seem to recall it works similarly.

[InnaBinder]

Troll Gut Rope is in Arms and Equipment Guide.

[Omen of Peace]

There's a Spool of Endless Rope in the MIC but it's actually misnamed since it only goes to 500ft.

[SorO_Lost]

Troll Gut Rope is in the MiC. It is a 50ft rope that can extend to 350ft once per day.

[Callix]

Yeah. Some weird-arsed reading of bits and pieces of the MM seem to indicate that all bonus feats are the same and bonus feats ignore pre-requisites unless otherwise indicated. I think it is just somebody with a beef against the system trying to creatively interprete things to make it look worse than it is. Perhaps his job application to WotC got rejected.

And if you believe that the sentence doesn't apply to player bonus feats, then bonus feats never ignore prerequisites unless they specifically say so, which a rogue's doesn't. And on this interpretation, rogue has no application to charm/diplomancy + Fling Ally + Distant Shot. Happy now?

[SorO_Lost]

Happy now?

No. Cook my dinner already.

[awaken DM golem]

Festering Anger

1st - Cancer Mage (or whatever its called) is 6th level
2nd - just heal that ability damage, do-able at 1st level
3rd - pump the bonus spells of an Illumian
4th - Tsuyo's Martial Monk can take Epic Leadership and get infinite followers
5th - PHB2 ability rebuilding lets the other scores go to above Epic / near A.H. levels

1 has the Cure Disease weakness
2 has auto-hit and auto-kill
3 has infinite spells
4 has perhaps a DvR of 19, other dieties are restricted for the followers
5 gets AH skills, hitpoints, and Diplomacy checks.

Fun.

[woodenbandman]

A new use for nanytes that I found. If you can somehow get your nanytes to count as your animal companion and/or familiar, or find some way of getting Bite of the Weretiger to affect all allies within 30 feet, you can use your nanytes to power your War Master's Charge, each one of them power attacking for at least 5 damage, and each one recieving an arbitrarily high bonus to hit (equal to you base attack bonus). You could take leadership and all it's derivatives, shrink all your followers down, then use war master's charge. That's, like, 100 x 25 damage, with no AoO for charging(irrelevant anyhow), get them to use the high bonus to power power attack and/or stone power. instant awesome death by mosquito swarm.

Of course leadership is the really broken part but we all know that.

[Vidar]

A new use for nanytes that I found. If you can somehow get your nanytes to count as your animal companion and/or familiar, or find some way of getting Bite of the Weretiger to affect all allies within 30 feet, you can use your nanytes to power your War Master's Charge, each one of them power attacking for at least 5 damage, and each one recieving an arbitrarily high bonus to hit (equal to you base attack bonus). You could take leadership and all it's derivatives, shrink all your followers down, then use war master's charge. That's, like, 100 x 25 damage, with no AoO for charging(irrelevant anyhow), get them to use the high bonus to power power attack and/or stone power. instant awesome death by mosquito swarm.

Of course leadership is the really broken part but we all know that.

And how will those 100 be able to get near the target or how will they not obstruct eachother and you? -> EDIT: never mind those then, except the question for decent boni to hit ofcourse.
And dirty trick hb really looks for actual RULES to break.

[GawainBS]

A new use for nanytes that I found. If you can somehow get your nanytes to count as your animal companion and/or familiar, or find some way of getting Bite of the Weretiger to affect all allies within 30 feet, you can use your nanytes to power your War Master's Charge, each one of them power attacking for at least 5 damage, and each one recieving an arbitrarily high bonus to hit (equal to you base attack bonus). You could take leadership and all it's derivatives, shrink all your followers down, then use war master's charge. That's, like, 100 x 25 damage, with no AoO for charging(irrelevant anyhow), get them to use the high bonus to power power attack and/or stone power. instant awesome death by mosquito swarm.

Of course leadership is the really broken part but we all know that.

And how will those 100 be able to get near the target?
Or how will they not obstruct eachother and you?
And dirty trick hb really looks for actual RULES to break.

As much as I agree that those are lame (as in: they depend on made-up rules, or rules that don't exist) tricks, Warmaster's Charge explicitly states that you and your allies don't block each other for purposes of this charge.

[woodenbandman]

I was just checking the FAQ, and I found a way to obtain early tarrasque wildshaping, or any other thing with a foolish amount of hit dice.

Now whip out the Errata for complete adventurer, and you'll find out that Nature's Warrior, Warshaper, Master of Many Forms all stack with druid for determining HD limits. In fact, I think Daggerspell Shaper might too, as does Arcane Hierophant (Races of the Wild). If you start with precocious apprentice, then grab some bloodlines, you end up with



Wizard1/druidx/Master of Many Forms1/Nature's Warrior 1/Warshaper1/Arcane Hierophant1/Strong Bloodline 3

Giving up 9th level (and possibly 8th level, haven't calculated yet, however, you can achieve the brokenness of this before level 10, giving you access to 16hd more wildshape than you're supposed to. Can you say Dire Polar Bear? Get an item of permanent Enhance Wild Shape (comes to be pretty expensive), and rock out with Battlebriar (although I can't recall if the levels stack for determining what forms you have access to). Go MoMF the rest of the way (I believe you can put all 10 levels in), and just rock the FUCK out with 36 HD dragons.

thoughts?

EDIT:

RIP supermount.

EDIT2: Wow, WotC allowed Warmage to become the new Most Broken Class Ever^TM

If a warmage (CAr 10) gains access to all the cleric
spells though the rainbow servant prestige class (CD 54),
does he really have all those spells to choose from each time
he casts a spell?
If a warmage takes ten levels of rainbow servant, he adds
all of the spells from the cleric spell list to his own spell list and
can choose from all of them when he casts spells.

[awaken DM golem]

I like the Bloodline stuff.
I bet Phoenix00 would too.

What are you saying about your EDIT of the idea?
iirc - that "nerf" applies to the animal companion (etc) directly, not the class level derived abilities.
Example: Level 1 druid has class ability X ; Druid 1/Bloodline 3 has 1st level class ability of level (1+3) ; but not class ability level 4. So the 1st level ability is improved, but the higher level ability isn't available til you get to that higher level.

Warmage ...  ... rocks ... what ?!

[BowenSilverclaw]

I was just checking the FAQ, and I found a way to obtain early tarrasque wildshaping, or any other thing with a foolish amount of hit dice.

Now whip out the Errata for complete adventurer, and you'll find out that Nature's Warrior, Warshaper, Master of Many Forms all stack with druid for determining HD limits. In fact, I think Daggerspell Shaper might too, as does Arcane Hierophant (Races of the Wild). If you start with precocious apprentice, then grab some bloodlines, you end up with



Wizard1/druidx/Master of Many Forms1/Nature's Warrior 1/Warshaper1/Arcane Hierophant1/Strong Bloodline 3

Giving up 9th level (and possibly 8th level, haven't calculated yet, however, you can achieve the brokenness of this before level 10, giving you access to 16hd more wildshape than you're supposed to. Can you say Dire Polar Bear? Get an item of permanent Enhance Wild Shape (comes to be pretty expensive), and rock out with Battlebriar (although I can't recall if the levels stack for determining what forms you have access to). Go MoMF the rest of the way (I believe you can put all 10 levels in), and just rock the FUCK out with 36 HD dragons.

thoughts?

EDIT:

RIP supermount.

EDIT2: Wow, WotC allowed Warmage to become the new Most Broken Class Ever^TM

If a warmage (CAr 10) gains access to all the cleric
spells though the rainbow servant prestige class (CD 54),
does he really have all those spells to choose from each time
he casts a spell?
If a warmage takes ten levels of rainbow servant, he adds
all of the spells from the cleric spell list to his own spell list and
can choose from all of them when he casts spells.

Don't forget Divine Minion and LA buyback

Also, I feel the sudden urge to play a Warmage now

[Sunic_Flames]

So Warmages do not in fact blow goats for pocket change?

[Callix]

So Warmages do not in fact blow goats for pocket change?

No. Now they blow couatls for ultimate cosmic power. Whatever.

Also, if it works for Warmages, it works for Beguilers and Dread Necromancers too (although DNs may find qualifying for RS difficult).

[Sunic_Flames]

So Warmages do not in fact blow goats for pocket change?

No. Now they blow couatls for ultimate cosmic power. Whatever.

Also, if it works for Warmages, it works for Beguilers and Dread Necromancers too (although DNs may find qualifying for RS difficult).

Dude, they went from goats to draconic serpent things. They're moving up in the world.

[Omen of Peace]

Now whip out the Errata for complete adventurer, and you'll find out that Nature's Warrior, Warshaper, Master of Many Forms all stack with druid for determining HD limits. In fact, I think Daggerspell Shaper might too, as does Arcane Hierophant (Races of the Wild). If you start with precocious apprentice, then grab some bloodlines, you end up with



Wizard1/druidx/Master of Many Forms1/Nature's Warrior 1/Warshaper1/Arcane Hierophant1/Strong Bloodline 3

Giving up 9th level (and possibly 8th level, haven't calculated yet, however, you can achieve the brokenness of this before level 10, giving you access to 16hd more wildshape than you're supposed to. Can you say Dire Polar Bear? Get an item of permanent Enhance Wild Shape (comes to be pretty expensive), and rock out with Battlebriar (although I can't recall if the levels stack for determining what forms you have access to). Go MoMF the rest of the way (I believe you can put all 10 levels in), and just rock the FUCK out with 36 HD dragons.

Warshaper doesn't, actually. I'm pretty sure Daggerspell Shaper should, but it doesn't.

I also think you need extensive trickery (like a Lore-dragon-kobold) to enter Arcane Hierophant with only 1 arcane class level. It's still a nice trick (and another reason for me to go  at the mention of bloodlines).

[JaronK]

RIP supermount.

I noticed that one a while back, but the original Supermount works fine.  It's the Ubermount, my creation, that the FAQ kills off.

Sadly.

JaronK

[InnaBinder]

I seem to recall an Uberermount kicking around somewhere; I'll poke about for it.