Uber's Tiers

[Ubernoob]

So basically it is better to let the fighter die and bring in another cleric, a druid, or a dragon shaman to heal.  That's the logical conclusion to what you are saying.

[Sunic_Flames]

Oh shit, I forgot Daze requires humanoid type. Nevermind.

Shows how much I stick to Color Spray and Sleep I suppose.

[PhaedrusXY]

So basically it is better to let the fighter die and bring in another cleric, a druid, or a dragon shaman to heal.  That's the logical conclusion to what you are saying.

I wouldn't argue with that. 

[Ubernoob]

So basically it is better to let the fighter die and bring in another cleric, a druid, or a dragon shaman to heal.  That's the logical conclusion to what you are saying.

I wouldn't argue with that. 

In that case your whole argument about healing is moot because fighters have no place in level 1 or 2 games.  Thank you.

[PhaedrusXY]

So basically it is better to let the fighter die and bring in another cleric, a druid, or a dragon shaman to heal.  That's the logical conclusion to what you are saying.

I wouldn't argue with that. 

In that case your whole argument about healing is moot because fighters have no place in level 1 or 2 games.  Thank you.

Not really. Even in an all cleric party, at 1st level you're better off saving your slots for casting Faith Healing or Lesser Vigor after combat, than wasting them on Bless.

[Ubernoob]

So basically it is better to let the fighter die and bring in another cleric, a druid, or a dragon shaman to heal.  That's the logical conclusion to what you are saying.

I wouldn't argue with that. 

In that case your whole argument about healing is moot because fighters have no place in level 1 or 2 games.  Thank you.

Not really. Even in an all cleric party, at 1st level you're better off saving your slots for casting Faith Healing or Lesser Vigor after combat, than wasting them on Bless.

No you're not.  You're better fucking killing things.  Bless helps you fucking kill things.  Clerics can convert on the fly, so can get exactly as much healing as they need after the battle once they have done the fucking killing.

Really, it's better to get an extra 1/5 of a hit per round for three rounds than to heal less than one hit.

[Tshern]

Ubernoob, you don't always get to decide when the combat starts. At least in my games low level encounters are quite often started when the party was unprepared for the fight and in cases like that Bless is not that useful.

[Ubernoob]

Ubernoob, you don't always get to decide when the combat starts. At least in my games low level encounters are quite often started when the party was unprepared for the fight and in cases like that Bless is not that useful.

Oh no, I get to convert bless to CLW once combat is over to deal with the damage.  What will I do?

Bless is better than CLW to prepare.  Doesn't stop clerics from converting on the fly.

[carnivore]

strange as it may be .... i agree with ubernoob .... about preparing other Spells... because Clerics can Spontaneously Cast Cure spells.... even better if you use Spontaneous Domain casting with Healing Domain... then you automaticlly get +1 CL for all your Cure spells...... however there are better spells to cast at the begining of Combat(depending on Books Allowed)

 

[AndyJames]

Faith Healing and Lesser Vigour, the two spells specifically mentioned, are not on the Cleric's spontaneous list, Carnivore.

[Sunic_Flames]

Healing Domain is a Trap. :rolleyes

[carnivore]

true .... however i was refering to some other spells that would improve Combat Abilities..... Faith Healing and Lesser Vigor would have to be prepared lilke normal

for Healing after 3rd lvl... usually the cleric will have the feat: Touch of Healing(Reserve).... or it is possible to have the Feat Draconic Aura(Vigor)... that way you dont spend spells on healing unless absolutely necessary


 

[carnivore]

Healing Domain is a Trap. :rolleyes

not for RSoPs 

 

[Tshern]

Ubernoob, you don't always get to decide when the combat starts. At least in my games low level encounters are quite often started when the party was unprepared for the fight and in cases like that Bless is not that useful.

Oh no, I get to convert bless to CLW once combat is over to deal with the damage.  What will I do?

Bless is better than CLW to prepare.  Doesn't stop clerics from converting on the fly.

Where the fuck did I say you should prepare CLW? I said there are situations in which Bless is useless, because I didn't think your assessments of its usefulness were accurate.

[AndyJames]

true .... however i was refering to some other spells that would improve Combat Abilities..... Faith Healing and Lesser Vigor would have to be prepared lilke normal

for Healing after 3rd lvl... usually the cleric will have the feat: Touch of Healing(Reserve).... or it is possible to have the Feat Draconic Aura(Vigor)... that way you dont spend spells on healing unless absolutely necessary


 

I was just pointing out that you were agreeing with a false premise: That Ubernoob's opponent (Tshern I believe) actually recommended that a Cleric memorise CLW.

He did not. It was a strawman.

[carnivore]

sorry for the confusion ... i was just skimming this thread... and was not following close enough   

 

[Tshern]

AndyJames:

He did not. It was a strawman.

Nice to see we can agree on no less than two topics today.

[Ubernoob]

Ubernoob, you don't always get to decide when the combat starts. At least in my games low level encounters are quite often started when the party was unprepared for the fight and in cases like that Bless is not that useful.

Oh no, I get to convert bless to CLW once combat is over to deal with the damage.  What will I do?

Bless is better than CLW to prepare.  Doesn't stop clerics from converting on the fly.

Where the fuck did I say you should prepare CLW? I said there are situations in which Bless is useless, because I didn't think your assessments of its usefulness were accurate.

http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=2252.msg69969#msg69969

Start there.

[AndyJames]

Sorry, Carnivore. It was Phaedrus, not Tshern.



Tshern, I just call them as I see them

[Tshern]

I've read the entire thread and I didn't post anything to suggest people should prepare CLW. That's why I didn't like the tone you used after quoting my message.