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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2008, 01:24:04 PM »
The petty minutia the game expects you to deal with. Rations. Encumbrance. Counting copper pieces.

Ten thousand minuscule modifiers that you have to keep track of to stay competitive.

Broken spells.

The huge power gap between awesome classes and crappy classes.

People who insist the above does not exist.

Any effect that allows players free reign in the GM's bag of tricks (polymorph, wild shape and summoning come to mind).

Everyone HAS to have a Santa sack full of magical gear just to stay competitive.

Paying to upgrade your gear after every adventure, often in ways ("Another +1 on my sword, please!") that PCs shouldn't be aware of without flagrant metagaming.

Rude people in general.
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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2008, 02:43:36 PM »
The big one, players who disregard the other players(including the DM) enjoyment of the game. These would be the rollplayers who insist on doing it their way with roleplayers in the team, and vice versa as well, everyone is there to have fun, no need to hog it, your time will come. This also includes people who can't take a joke and people who insist on aggravating the former.

Minor one, the magic item arms race.
Broken mechanics, mostly in the hands of the people stated above, but they annoy me by their very existence anyway.
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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2008, 01:53:00 PM »
Dealing with problems between players is my least favorite part.

From a game perspective, the crafting rules are really annoying, as are encumberance, grappling, and identifying magic items. 

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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2008, 02:50:26 PM »
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The fact that you always have a 5% chance of success or failure regardless of the situation and how your character is made.

The power gap between casters and non-casters

People who think core is balanced or the only 'right' way to play D&D is the way they play it

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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2008, 02:57:57 PM »
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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2008, 03:01:19 PM »
Spending 2 hours of a 4 hour gaming session on leveling up and shopping/selling loot.    :wall
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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2008, 03:07:20 PM »
Spending 2 hours of a 4 hour gaming session on leveling up and shopping/selling loot.    :wall

Dude, do that out of game.
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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2008, 03:09:05 PM »
Spending 2 hours of a 4 hour gaming session on leveling up and shopping/selling loot.    :wall

Dude, do that out of game.
That's what I keep telling the players.  Then they forget.  :wall  :wall  :wall
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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2008, 03:10:18 PM »
Spending 2 hours of a 4 hour gaming session on leveling up and shopping/selling loot.    :wall
Probably the leading use of downtime, sessions are too short to level up on the fly unless you have prior planning for leveling. Shopping and selling loot is worse, unless the DM had a very strict list of what items a particular shop has in stock. Any 'pick anything of X gp' shopping takes forever.
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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2008, 04:02:52 PM »
Spending 2 hours of a 4 hour gaming session on leveling up and shopping/selling loot.    :wall
Probably the leading use of downtime, sessions are too short to level up on the fly unless you have prior planning for leveling. Shopping and selling loot is worse, unless the DM had a very strict list of what items a particular shop has in stock. Any 'pick anything of X gp' shopping takes forever.

Depends. If your System Mastery level is high enough, and you have at least a general idea of what you're after it's pretty quick. Still, it should be out of game and glossed over because shopping is boring. :P

Let's face it. Even the women only like shopping because they're getting real things out of it. Not 'my character has more shiny shiny'!
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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2008, 04:09:34 PM »
I was assuming non system masters though, those who are good with the system usually don't take long to do either leveling or shopping, what with having a pretty good wish list in mind already. :P
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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2008, 04:14:35 PM »
Eh. I've found the non system masters just take another level of whatever they started as. So copy some numbers and the only real choices is on a feat level, or a couple of spells. Well, there's gear obviously but they tend to be pretty non creative with it.
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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2008, 04:23:45 PM »
Ok, lets make that, 'wannabe system masters' no offense intended.
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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2008, 04:29:56 PM »
Meldshaping>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shopping for items.


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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2008, 05:07:14 PM »
Meldshaping>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shopping for items.

I'd say Plus Fucking One, except I only have MoI a cursory once over.
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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2008, 10:31:24 PM »
Meldshaping>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shopping for items.

I'd say Plus Fucking One, except I only have MoI a cursory once over.

All I have to say is having a +3 weapon at 2nd level is vastly superior to the WBL chart. And the potential for a +2 Deflection bonus to AC while wearing Breastplate. Or SR 17, vastly superior to the SR you can normally get at 2nd level (zilch!).


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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2008, 01:21:51 AM »
Players who don't/won't bother to learn the rules. Seriously, why else are they there, people?  :fo
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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #37 on: October 12, 2008, 04:39:56 AM »
Trying to ROLEplay in a group of powergamer/hack'n'slash ROLLplayers.   :wall

Preach on.

The big one, players who disregard the other players(including the DM) enjoyment of the game.

This, too.

Players who don't/won't bother to learn the rules. Seriously, why else are they there, people?  :fo

They're people who haven't learned the rules yet. You can either bitch at them, or help them learn. Your choice.


My vote: learning what a zillion and a half spells do. I take "least favourite" in the title seriously. I love the variety of spells, the "pull out any damn random thing at any time" feel of them. But sweet and sour Jesus it's a pain in the ass. The paperwork just makes my brain itch.

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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2008, 05:13:45 AM »
Well, if we're talking least favorite, as opposed to most despised...

Having an alignment system as it works now.

Not against alignment systems per se, just against ones that inspire "WTF?!"

This ought to be something that even a contenious moron can grasp exactly what kinds of people are what...instead of something where you're not sure why Helm is LN but not LG.
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Re: What's your least favorite part of D&D?
« Reply #39 on: October 12, 2008, 12:27:29 PM »
People who think that their alignment is a suggestion. Case in point: I have this guy who has LG on his sheet, but he was consistently a dick to this one guy whose character was childish, and yet somehow managed to attract a cohort who was a child, who coincidentally happened to hate the other guy's character on principal alone (she was half-drow, him an elf). I repeatedly told him that doing that was not very good, especially since he's lawful good, meaning that he has to be good to everyone. At the very least change your alignment to neutral, or lawful neutral, or something else that makes fucking sense.

People who think that their alignment is an excuse for dickery. Case in point: Same guy, who like to play half-giants, made a chaotic neutral character who only spoke to ask when he got his money. He was also generally a dick to everyone, and then he apologized for it because he said "that's how my character would play it." Dude, what the cunt? If you don't like being a dick, don't make characters that are megadicks!

People who give freebies to other people. Case in point: Same guy gets sexual favors from the DM in the form of free leadership, exotic weapon proficiencies, armor (even though it specifically says that fullplate costs x amount of gold to get re-fitted), etc.

Leadership. It's not balanced, it's not fair, it's too good, get it out of my games.

Games where everyone has leadership and/or special mount and/or animal companion. It's ridiculous. I need the animal companion just to stay competitive in the action exchange, and I'm a goddamn druid!

People who bitch. On and on. About you not accepting their characters for which there are no rules governing the things that they want. For instance, there is no CR exchange rate, and an animal companion cannot (as far as I know), acquire a level adjustment.

People who bitch. On and on. About how the system that you use, like Tome of Battle, is so unbalanced, and that a fighter cannot do all those things, therefore it's too strong. And they use that "holier-than-thou" voice, and pretend to be cool with it, and refuse to bend even when confronted with hard numbers and personal experience.

How only 10% of all spells are worth casting because the others suck so hard and the 10% that are worth casting are completely gamebreaking and should never be allowed ever. Ever.  :wall :wall