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Re: Iron Chef Character Optimization
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2008, 09:18:40 PM »
Well, you could go and say make a Main course challenge, the give us a dessert, for those of us who love to pore over dusty old tomes and pull out anthropomophic elephants with ballistas as favored weapons.(cookie for the reference.)

but mainstream, who determines maintream? I see mainstream as The completes, and the expanded core.

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Re: Iron Chef Character Optimization
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2008, 11:12:57 PM »
That's more or less what I'd be looking at as sources for the challenges--core plus complete.

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Re: Iron Chef Character Optimization
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2008, 11:40:35 PM »
But I desire more spice?

How about if we have iron builder, then Iron builder Usa, with Lord of procrastination as an announcer, with Khan as a backup?

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« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2008, 12:30:16 AM »
I dont know how well a poll would work. It may turn into a popularity contest, like you mentioned. Then the builds and their creators that deserve the win dont get it.
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Re: Iron Chef Character Optimization
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2008, 01:53:37 AM »
Safest way is to get an odd number of judges (3 or 5 works best) and a criteria for judging (creativity, cleanliness, # of 'vague' interpretations, etc). Then the judges can rank each contest 1-10 on each subject, submit them to some unbiased 3rd party (Caelic if he's not a judge, a mod if he is) who tallies and averages them.
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Re: Iron Chef Character Optimization
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2008, 02:11:15 AM »
At the risk of overcomplicating things, I'd suggest combining two ideas. Run the polls as normal, and count the results as one judge, perhaps. Then your four other judges do what they do, rating the builds on whatever the criteria are. It lets the community vote on what they like best, without making it the sole choice for winner and thus alleviating a lot of the popularity contest fears.
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« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2008, 02:14:54 AM »
Hey guys how about this?

To get rid of the popularity contest issue just have everyone email or private message their builds to Caelic. Afterwards he'll post all of the builds he was submitted without revealing who made what and that way there will be no bias.

What do you think? 

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« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2008, 02:16:07 AM »
Hey guys how about this?

To get rid of the popularity contest issue just have everyone email or private message their builds to Caelic. Afterwards he'll post all of the builds he was submitted without revealing who made what and that way there will be no bias.

What do you think? 
The problem I see with this is that not everyone is going to judge on the same thing.
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Re: Iron Chef Character Optimization
« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2008, 07:43:37 PM »
Alright then it sounds like you would need to pick judges, on what field or basis though?

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« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2008, 11:12:07 PM »
I think the judges should be volunteers (re: whoever wants to and has time to judge). It's the criteria for ranking that needs to be specified. Once that's laid out, the judges have something to go off of.

I mean every judge is different, but that's how it works on Iron Chef. If it works for them, it can work here. :P
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Re: Iron Chef Character Optimization
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2008, 11:24:40 PM »
Cuz this is the intarwebs!
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« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2008, 07:41:22 PM »
I'm interested in judging.

Also, in regards to secret ingredients, I agree with Caelic that the ingredient should come from the more common books--I'm just not sure what those are. The Completes go without saying, but what about campaign-specific material?

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Re: Iron Chef Character Optimization
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2008, 09:37:39 PM »
I know that if it werent for the CO boards and such that I never would have even looked at campaign specific books because I had no need. They dont really feel common to me. I think Core, Completes, and the Races books are the most common. I very well could be wrong though.
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« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2008, 10:02:30 PM »
I agree that Core+Completes+(Perhaps) Races is a very broad category. If 'Races of...' includes campaign specific books, then I don't know...that gets a pretty broad set of stuff.

What if there were different required ingredient types? Such as feats or skills as well as classes/ PrC's? Or what if we were to say that 'a significant feature of your build; something that it hinges upon, must come from [this book]'?
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Re: Iron Chef Character Optimization
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2008, 11:34:58 PM »
Core+Completes+specifically named books of different sources.  Like ToM, ToB, MoI, XPH (though I cosider it core), RotW, RotD, RoS, RoD, etc.  That way you can ignore campaign specific races books.  I can't remember off-hand other books that are common.
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Re: Iron Chef Character Optimization
« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2008, 11:52:30 PM »
I want to join this, it looks like fun.

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Re: Iron Chef Character Optimization
« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2008, 07:57:42 AM »
So...

1) Is XPH (and CPsi) in the available books?
2) Do we have a finalised submission method?
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Re: Iron Chef Character Optimization
« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2008, 11:11:00 AM »
What if the ingredient was a homebrew class? That would solve the problems of accessibility.
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Re: Iron Chef Character Optimization
« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2008, 04:16:27 PM »
Wow, I am in this too. I am a keen fan of the show too.

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Re: Iron Chef Character Optimization
« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2008, 04:55:03 PM »
Okay, folks.  For right now, here's the very rough set of preliminary rules I'm considering:

1. Menu: For most challenges, the "secret ingredient" will be drawn from Core plus Completes.  There will, from time to time, be special challenges that showcase secret ingredients from other books--for example, the XPH.

2. Kitchen: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. 

3. Cooking Time: Contests will be announced a week in advance, to give people time to sign up.  Following a week of sign-ups, the "secret ingredient" will be announced.  Contestants will have one week to create their builds and email them to the Chairman (most likely me, at least for the first few.)  Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying.

4. Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Use of Secret Ingredient.


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