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Re: Dwarfy Goodness help requested
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2008, 01:06:58 PM »
You can't retrain Improved Unarmed, since it's a bonus feat. Maybe if you brown-nose a lot with our DM, you might pull it off. :p
Depending on your levels of SS, taking Superior Unarmed Strike could be better than Improved Natural Attack. Both, however, is certainly doable.

Again the nancy elf to spoil my fun.

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Re: Dwarfy Goodness help requested
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2008, 10:20:54 PM »
Use the seductive power of the Dark Side (by which I mean the Dark Chaos Shuffle).

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Re: Dwarfy Goodness help requested
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2008, 12:49:22 PM »
Use the seductive power of the Dark Side (by which I mean the Dark Chaos Shuffle).
What is this dark chaos shuffle of which you speak? Is it Wild and Dwarfy?

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Re: Dwarfy Goodness help requested
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2008, 08:58:28 PM »
AFAIK, which isn't very much, it basically means:
1:You dedicate yourself to Dark Chaos, something demonic/devilish
2:Gain a bucketload of bonus feats, but gain drawbacks.
3:Renounce Dark Chaos
4:Get rid of the drawbacks, but keep the feats
5:rinse
6:repeat
7:???
8: Profit.

Though I am by no means an expert, I could be wrong.

So wild, yes.
Dwarfy?
Not particulary, no race have any greater affinity for this IMHO.
With the exeption of tieflings. ;)
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Re: Dwarfy Goodness help requested
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2008, 09:39:11 PM »
AFAIK, which isn't very much, it basically means:
1:You dedicate yourself to Dark Chaos, something demonic/devilish
2:Gain a bucketload of bonus feats, but gain drawbacks.
3:Renounce Dark Chaos
4:Get rid of the drawbacks, but keep the feats
5:rinse
6:repeat
7:???
8: Profit.

Though I am by no means an expert, I could be wrong.

So wild, yes.
Dwarfy?
Not particulary, no race have any greater affinity for this IMHO.
With the exeption of tieflings. ;)

Eventhough that's very interesting, it's so very wrong to me fluff wise. Even Vow of Poverty would be more logical, except for the exalted part, since my dwarf is going to be so feral he'll have much to repent for every time he stops raging.

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Re: Dwarfy Goodness help requested
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2008, 08:44:41 PM »
Ok, another option crossed my mind since we finally started looking into incarnum. How do I rolled a totemist?
I totally have no experience with the totemist what so ever, but I'm looking into it. Could I get some advice from people with a little more idea about the mechanics?

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Re: Dwarfy Goodness help requested
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2008, 09:20:51 PM »
http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=2943.0

That's pretty much everything you'll need. :D
Sinfire Titan is pretty much the go-to guy on Totemists and Incarnates in general.
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the most effective optimization is the one you can actually get away with.  :smirk

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(A group of nerds are called a murder because like crows we are anti-social, like shiny things, and often squack at each other over nothing for hours)

I often have to remind people not to underrate divination.  The ability to effectively metagame without actually metagaming beats the ability to set things on fire more times than not.
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Re: Dwarfy Goodness help requested
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2008, 09:33:58 PM »
http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=2943.0

That's pretty much everything you'll need. :D
Sinfire Titan is pretty much the go-to guy on Totemists and Incarnates in general.

Then I'll simply have to track him down and behead him to gain all his knowledge. Advantage, Vidar.

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Re: Dwarfy Goodness help requested
« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2008, 05:12:13 AM »
Totemist is also an alternate route to Ironsoul Forgemaster, which is very Dwarfy.

As a random incarnum build though, here's a ranged fighting Dwarf incarnate/ironsould forgemaster that I cobbled together a long time ago...[spoiler]Dwarf Incarnate (chaotic) 8/Fighter 2/Ironsoul Forgemaster 10
BAB 13, saves 16/5/13
speed 20' +20 (radiance)
hp = 8d6 + 12d8 + con = 82 + 20*con + vitality belt = ~290 (assuming moderate 20 Con by the end)
feats: bonus essentia, expanded soulmeld capacity (multiple), archery feats
soulmelds 8, essentia 22, chakra 5
chakras: crown, feet, hands, arms, shoulders, waist, heart

Soulmelds: Astral Vambraces, Incarnate Avatar, Sighting Gloves, Vitality Belt
Invest essentia fully into the avatar, sighting gloves, vitality belt, and weapon bond class feature
Result: +6 ranged attack rolls, +15 damage per arrow

There are still a few open feats, and your chakras are open as well. Astral Vambraces bound to your hands gives you a construct menu A ability (I'd pick speed for a total of +30' with your radiance)

The wording on the Weapon Bond class feature says you can invest essentia as if it were a soulmeld. If you read this as making it eligible for your expanded soulmeld capacity (feat and incarnate class ability), that increases damage to +19 per arrow. Each arrow also has a chance of dazing the enemy. The DC is only moderate, but then again you should be firing off a ton of arrows with a splitting bow, so you have a really good chance of stunning each round.
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Re: Dwarfy Goodness help requested
« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2008, 01:28:26 PM »
Yes, the very dwarfy prc crossed my mind, but I have no idea about his strengths and how to apply them in a totemist build.

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Re: Dwarfy Goodness help requested
« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2008, 03:49:21 PM »
Well the totemist is predominantly a melee class (with a couple notable exceptions) where you want to focus on getting up close and personal with your multitude of natural attacks. In addition to Sinfire's handbook, I have several links in my handy links on 339 that provide various builds for the totemist.

The incarnate is one of those swiss army knife kind of characters, where they can be both combat or utility; your selection of soulmelds in the morning is very important, much like how a wizard chooses his spells. There's yet another good guide to the incarnates in my handy links.

The Ironsoul Forgemaster can be entered via either, though thematically the Incarnate is probably better. The class is really centered around crafting and using your own gear though, so unless you have the downtime to do so, you will not get the full benefit of the class. Coupled with the battlesmith you can get a crafting level of 45. And while your chakra bind options are fewer, you will get your waist and heart chakras earlier than if you went straight incarnate or totemist.
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Re: Dwarfy Goodness help requested
« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2008, 10:46:53 PM »
I was thinking of maybe VoP & Saint, together with one lvl monk and one lvl FotF. Problem is, my dwarf is feral, and eventhough feral might still be CG, it's quite hard to pass as Saint, fluffwise. And even more if I already have to deal with 3/4 bab. Since I can acquire it later on, it might be easier to buy off, though.
So how would Feral Saint Dwarf Monk1/Totemist18/FotF1 do, you think? I might resort to flaws, though, which would be my first time on the impure path.  :(
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18+4(feral)+8(VoP)+4(level increments)=30
17-2(feral)+2(VoP)=17
17+2(dwarf)+2(saint)+2(feral)+1(level increment)+6(VoP)=30
18-4(feral)=14
18+2(feral)+2(saint)+4(VoP)=26
16-2(dwarf)+4(saint)=18
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Re: Dwarfy Goodness help requested
« Reply #32 on: December 29, 2008, 08:41:57 AM »
Given the campaign you'll be playing this in, Saint might be overdoing it.

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Re: Dwarfy Goodness help requested
« Reply #33 on: December 29, 2008, 09:36:47 AM »
There is no such thing as 'overkill', there is only 'open fire' and 'reload' ;)
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Re: Dwarfy Goodness help requested
« Reply #34 on: December 29, 2008, 02:02:58 PM »
Except that the DM will be Vidar's girlfriend. I'm just trying to be a good friend. :P

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Re: Dwarfy Goodness help requested
« Reply #35 on: December 29, 2008, 02:06:16 PM »
Except that the DM will be Vidar's girlfriend. I'm just trying to be a good friend. :P

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Re: Dwarfy Goodness help requested
« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2008, 05:40:53 PM »
There is no such thing as 'overkill', there is only 'open fire' and 'reload' ;)

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Re: Dwarfy Goodness help requested
« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2008, 01:06:59 AM »
A dwarfy arcane caster is a Runesmith!  Ask around for details.
Hood - My first answer to all your build questions; past, present, and future.

Speaking of which:
Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"

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Re: Dwarfy Goodness help requested
« Reply #38 on: January 01, 2009, 08:19:22 PM »
or get a battlesmith for wis to dmg ;)
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Re: Dwarfy Goodness help requested
« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2009, 11:28:57 AM »
You might find some inspiration here

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