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Re: Wizard Hunting
« Reply #60 on: October 17, 2011, 11:34:57 PM »
Remember... even if you have infinite SR (ie, spell immunity) AND are in the middle of an antimagic field, as long as no one bans Conjuration, they can still blast you from afar...
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Re: Wizard Hunting
« Reply #61 on: October 18, 2011, 12:08:49 AM »
Remember... even if you have infinite SR (ie, spell immunity) AND are in the middle of an antimagic field, as long as no one bans Conjuration, they can still blast you from afar...

And that's exactly why I gave the build idea that I did....

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Re: Wizard Hunting
« Reply #62 on: October 18, 2011, 12:20:15 AM »
Remember... even if you have infinite SR (ie, spell immunity) AND are in the middle of an antimagic field, as long as no one bans Conjuration, they can still blast you from afar...
Provided they can see me, which they can't, and provided they have LoE, which they don't.
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Re: Wizard Hunting
« Reply #63 on: October 18, 2011, 12:56:56 AM »
Being inside a telekinetic sphere should be sufficient to kill LoE.

Just to be mean, burrowing transdimensional touchsight.  

You may want to be undead to deal with lifesense (Libris Mortis 28).  You also may want to wear Gwaeron's boots (Magic of Faerun 158) to deal with mundane tracking.  

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Re: Wizard Hunting
« Reply #64 on: October 18, 2011, 01:49:24 AM »
Just to be mean, burrowing transdimensional touchsight.  
Interestingly, Burrowing doesn't work that way. The person that Touchsight is cast on is the only target, and your the only person you can cast it on. Bravo, you can manifest Touchsight on yourself through walls. Good Job.


You may want to be undead to deal with lifesense (Libris Mortis 28).  You also may want to wear Gwaeron's boots (Magic of Faerun 158) to deal with mundane tracking.
Life sight is only that you produce light, and should be covered by Superior Invisibility. I don't think you can track totally invisible flying creatures, but if DM allows such silliness, the boots should be good.
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Re: Wizard Hunting
« Reply #65 on: October 18, 2011, 04:24:40 AM »
Life sight is only that you produce light, and should be covered by Superior Invisibility.

According to the section in Dungeon Master's Guide on invisibility:

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An invisible burning torch still gives off light, as does an invisible object with a light spell (or similar spell) cast upon it.

So, I'm pretty sure lifesense still works. 

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Re: Wizard Hunting
« Reply #66 on: October 18, 2011, 09:16:00 AM »
Would this be a good scenario for the chicken wight army?
Interesting way to almost never be found.
Superior Invisibility + Mind Blank. If your group rules telepathy is mind-affecting, then only some gods can see you. At which point, you've won.
Touchsight is one example that negates this.
Actually, considering how Touchsight basically Psionic Tremorsense, I could see It being ruled in favor of Superior Invisibility.
Of course, even if ruled against me, this just means I need a portable way to break LoE. So Superior Invisibility + Mind blank + Third effect.
Also, thanks for pointing out the hole, looks like I'll need one more spell effect to become unfindable.
EDIT: Being inside a telekinetic sphere should be sufficient to kill LoE.
Keeping all that on would be a bummer thoug. But, as pointed out, Lifesense. Also, I have never played under a DM who ruled Mind blank blocks True seeing, See invisibility or other, non-targeted divinations. I have heard of people who do that though.

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Re: Wizard Hunting
« Reply #67 on: October 22, 2011, 01:50:23 PM »
Page 62 of Dragon Magazine #325.

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"When casting a spell from your specialist school (off the spell list of any spellcasting class you have), you can add the caster levels of all your spellcasting classes to determine your caster level."

Turns out he's right about this feat. 

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Re: Wizard Hunting
« Reply #68 on: October 22, 2011, 02:24:12 PM »
Just out of curiosity, did he modify it or si that the RAW version?

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Re: Wizard Hunting
« Reply #69 on: October 22, 2011, 03:47:06 PM »
That's exact wording. 

If it hits the fan with my current character, I'm going to make a Charlatan and hope I survive to level 10 and hopefully let the cities kill them for me.

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Re: Wizard Hunting
« Reply #70 on: October 22, 2011, 10:02:16 PM »
So in the current campaign, our goal is to kill the "Circle of 8", which are the 8 rulers of the continent.  Each ruler is a high level Ultimate Magus, one specializing in each school of magic, and their own school of wizards.  We'll be fighting (hopefully) these guys one at a time, since essentially they each have their own city.  Also, they each have some feat that I feel like I should have heard of that stacks their Sorcerer and Wizard caster level for any spell cast to just about anywhere it would apply.  So I'm trying to think of an optimal character for this game.  SR becomes effectively useless, can't always rely on saves for dealing with no-save magic, a caster will have a rough time do to the number of dispels they would face along with the level it could be cast at.  Also I have no clue what the 8 may have for companions.

Just out of curiosity, so this is Circle of 8 as in Greyhawk's "The Circle of Eight"? So you mean....

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Re: Wizard Hunting
« Reply #71 on: October 23, 2011, 04:32:28 PM »
Page 62 of Dragon Magazine #325.

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"When casting a spell from your specialist school (off the spell list of any spellcasting class you have), you can add the caster levels of all your spellcasting classes to determine your caster level."

This makes my brain hurt.

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Re: Wizard Hunting
« Reply #72 on: October 23, 2011, 05:48:11 PM »
Page 62 of Dragon Magazine #325.

Theurgic Specialist

"When casting a spell from your specialist school (off the spell list of any spellcasting class you have), you can add the caster levels of all your spellcasting classes to determine your caster level."

This makes my brain hurt.

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So, my wizard 1/cleric 1 adds those together to get Wizard CL 2/Cleric CL 1, adds those together to get Wizard CL 3/Cleric CL 1, adds those together to get Wizard CL 4/Cleric CL 1?
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Re: Wizard Hunting
« Reply #73 on: October 23, 2011, 05:50:21 PM »
Page 62 of Dragon Magazine #325.

Theurgic Specialist

"When casting a spell from your specialist school (off the spell list of any spellcasting class you have), you can add the caster levels of all your spellcasting classes to determine your caster level."

This makes my brain hurt.

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So, my wizard 1/cleric 1 adds those together to get Wizard CL 2/Cleric CL 2, adds those together to get Wizard CL 4/Cleric CL 4, adds those together to get Wizard CL 8/Cleric CL 8?

No, because it only checks once, when you cast a particular spell.  The spell looks at your character sheet and says, "OK, we've got wizard CL 2 and cleric CL 2 (because you're an illumian), so I'm CL 4."  Then it goes and lasts for four rounds before taking its lunch break.
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Re: Wizard Hunting
« Reply #74 on: October 23, 2011, 09:33:41 PM »
Play a Kender. Steal all the things
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Re: Wizard Hunting
« Reply #75 on: October 23, 2011, 09:41:24 PM »
Play a Kender. Steal all the things
We had a kender DMPC at one point. Most annoying character ever. It stole everything we had with no rolls, and any attempt to kill him rebounded the attacks on us.

So I just ignored what he did, kept all my stuff in my inventory and acted as if he wasn't there, as did all the other players. If the DM threw a fit, we sat there and stared at him, refusing to  play, until he gave in.

We had to go home a few times because he refused to budge, but he relented when he realized that not allowing us to play meant he couldn't either.
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Re: Wizard Hunting
« Reply #76 on: October 24, 2011, 04:04:22 AM »
Page 62 of Dragon Magazine #325.

Theurgic Specialist

"When casting a spell from your specialist school (off the spell list of any spellcasting class you have), you can add the caster levels of all your spellcasting classes to determine your caster level."

This makes my brain hurt.

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How it this any better than Master Spellthief?
Monks are pretty much the best designed class ever.

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Re: Wizard Hunting
« Reply #77 on: October 24, 2011, 02:13:44 PM »
Page 62 of Dragon Magazine #325.

Theurgic Specialist

"When casting a spell from your specialist school (off the spell list of any spellcasting class you have), you can add the caster levels of all your spellcasting classes to determine your caster level."

This makes my brain hurt.

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How it this any better than Master Spellthief?

You can always do both :D
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Re: Wizard Hunting
« Reply #78 on: October 24, 2011, 02:32:08 PM »
It's better than MS because it stacks Sorc and Wiz levels (or whatever else), not just spellthief and X levels.  Though it only applies to one school.
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Re: Wizard Hunting
« Reply #79 on: October 24, 2011, 02:49:24 PM »
It's better than MS because it stacks Sorc and Wiz levels (or whatever else), not just spellthief and X levels.  Though it only applies to one school.
Erm, that's not how Master Spellthief works, here's the text on it:
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Your spellthief levels stack with levels of other arcane spellcaster classes (that is, levels of any class that grants arcane spellcasting other than the spellthief) for the purpose of determining what level of spell you can steal. For example, a 4th-level spellthief/4th-level wizard could steal spells of up to 4th level, as if he were an 8th-level spellthief. Your spellthief and arcane spellcaster levels also stack when determining your caster level for all arcane spells. The character described above would have a caster level of 8th for both his spellthief spells and his wizard spells. In addition, you do not incur a chance of arcane spell failure for arcane spells cast or stolen from other classes, but only if you are wearing light armor. You incur the normal arcane spell failure chance when wearing medium or heavy armor or when using a shield.[/spoiler]
In bold it tells us that your spellthief and all your arcane spellcaster levels stack. Granted, this other feat gets you the ability to stack your cleric stuff as well, but only for one school, and you don't get the added effect of casting in light armour.
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You can always do both
What would my caster level then become?
Say I'm a Spellthief1/Sorc 1/Wizard 3/Ultimate Magus 10. Casting spells from my speciality school, I'd reckon it'd become a CL of 47?
What if I stuck in some levels of sublime chord? Or knight of the weave?
Monks are pretty much the best designed class ever.

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