Making Psionic Multipouncing

[KellKheraptis]

The Hunter-Killer build got me thinking...how hard would it be to get a multipouncer with 16 BAB and at least 17 ML?  Is there even a way to get multipounce on this sort of build without resorting to Ardent as a base?  Or is it best served with some sort of fast progressing class or ArcSwSg?

[Rebel7284]

Ardent 8/SwordSage 1/Telflamar Shadowlord 4/Ardent 2/X 5 does multipouncing very well especially with dominant ideal, Linked Power and Twin Power.

Edit: This build is less than 16 BAB.  But with 9-12 (or infinite depending on how the DM reads synchronicity) full attacks per round, you don't care.

[KellKheraptis]

Are Blade of Orien, Crinti Shadow Marauder, and Telflammar Shadowlord the only sources of shadow/teleport pouncing?

[Shiki]

Are Blade of Orien, Crinti Shadow Marauder, and Telflammar Shadowlord the only sources of shadow/teleport pouncing?

Official ones, yeah I think. Non-official, I've got no idea.

[KellKheraptis]

Ok, which basically means BoO is out, as it's a non-caster/manifester and it's on the capstone 10 levels in.  Crinti is lighter on feats, but 5 levels in, while TSL gets it at 4 with a feat tax.  I thought about Ardent 10/Swordsage 1/TSL 4/Abjurant Champion 5, but it only gets 15 BAB...if I sub in Slayer it'd hit the magic number there, but that's a LOT of lost levels of manifesting.

[X-Codes]

It's not pouncing, but the Sun School tactical gives you a free attack, so any Tash build can multi-pummel.

[KellKheraptis]

It's not pouncing, but the Sun School tactical gives you a free attack, so any Tash build can multi-pummel.

Can't that trigger after any teleport, and allow a full attack if you have means to?  I'm thinking battle jump type stuff, and triggering pounce by falling repeatedly, perhaps?

[Rebel7284]

It's not pouncing, but the Sun School tactical gives you a free attack, so any Tash build can multi-pummel.

Can't that trigger after any teleport, and allow a full attack if you have means to?  I'm thinking battle jump type stuff, and triggering pounce by falling repeatedly, perhaps?

This works, but has nothing to do with the Sun School feat.  With battle jump you can just keep teleporting and falling.  Such a poorly written feat >.<

[KellKheraptis]

It's not pouncing, but the Sun School tactical gives you a free attack, so any Tash build can multi-pummel.

Can't that trigger after any teleport, and allow a full attack if you have means to?  I'm thinking battle jump type stuff, and triggering pounce by falling repeatedly, perhaps?

This works, but has nothing to do with the Sun School feat.  With battle jump you can just keep teleporting and falling.  Such a poorly written feat >.<

Hmm...so less feat tax to just Battle Pounce?  I feel an uberdragoon coming on...what was the feat that allowed casting/manifesting as a move action?  It was like Rapid Casting or somesuch.

EDIT : Ardent 10/Swordsage 2/Chosen of Saridor 3/Abjurant Champion 5 ~ Gives BAB 16/ML 18, one required feat to enter, Battle Jump at level 1.  Feat leech the psicrystal for metapsionics, and select the shadow hand maneuvers to BAMF (spacing out the swordsage levels if need be).  Once you have a couple (read : scrying or remote viewing) powers to find your victim, teleport there within temporal acceleration after buffing, and begin the pounce routine.  I'm seeing a total of 3 from Move, Standard, and Swift, 1 more from schism, and at least one more from Psychic Renewal, with a total of 4 focii to play with.  After Battle Pouncing for 1k damage plus each attack (at least 5 per full attack, ignoring armor, shield, and dex), 25 attacks later you can immediate action Anticipatory Strike for even more damage (another entire routine), or go back into temporal acceleration to recharge and refresh.  Either way, you're effectively the flash nightcrawler, and doing any super saiyan proud, despite with a spear instead of your fist.

[Rebel7284]

It's not pouncing, but the Sun School tactical gives you a free attack, so any Tash build can multi-pummel.

Can't that trigger after any teleport, and allow a full attack if you have means to?  I'm thinking battle jump type stuff, and triggering pounce by falling repeatedly, perhaps?

This works, but has nothing to do with the Sun School feat.  With battle jump you can just keep teleporting and falling.  Such a poorly written feat >.<

Hmm...so less feat tax to just Battle Pounce?  I feel an uberdragoon coming on...what was the feat that allowed casting/manifesting as a move action?  It was like Rapid Casting or somesuch.

Dimension Slide and Dimension Door can both be manifested as move actions with the right augmentations.  With Twin Power/Dominant Ideal you can swift action-> Double Hustle, Each Hustle Double Dimention Slide for 4 full attacks off a swift action.  More amusing with Fission as then you can use Dimention Swap instead to get 16 full attacks between you and your clone... as a swift action (pretty sure dimention swap ALSO has move action augmentation.)

Edit: never mind, seems Dimention Swap doesn't work.  No augment for move action.

[KellKheraptis]

It's not pouncing, but the Sun School tactical gives you a free attack, so any Tash build can multi-pummel.

Can't that trigger after any teleport, and allow a full attack if you have means to?  I'm thinking battle jump type stuff, and triggering pounce by falling repeatedly, perhaps?

This works, but has nothing to do with the Sun School feat.  With battle jump you can just keep teleporting and falling.  Such a poorly written feat >.<

Hmm...so less feat tax to just Battle Pounce?  I feel an uberdragoon coming on...what was the feat that allowed casting/manifesting as a move action?  It was like Rapid Casting or somesuch.

Dimension Slide and Dimension Door can both be manifested as move actions with the right augmentations.  With Twin Power/Dominant Ideal you can swift action-> Double Hustle, Each Hustle Double Dimention Slide for 4 full attacks off a swift action.  More amusing with Fission as then you can use Dimention Swap instead to get 16 full attacks between you and your clone... as a swift action (pretty sure dimention swap ALSO has move action augmentation.)

Edit: never mind, seems Dimention Swap doesn't work.  No augment for move action.

Wow, so only needs Twin Power, those two powers, Battle Jump, and a means of snagging pounce.  I wonder if it's worth it to take Barbarian and then sub out rage for something, since you can't use it while manifesting.  Lemme look around and I'll post once I have a new build.  This is gonna get wicked fast...

[sirpercival]

And greater metamorphosis into a chronotyryn?

[RelentlessImp]

Hmm...so less feat tax to just Battle Pounce?  I feel an uberdragoon coming on...what was the feat that allowed casting/manifesting as a move action?  It was like Rapid Casting or somesuch.

Nobody alert Endarire to this thread. NOBODY.

[Rebel7284]

This is gonna get wicked fast...

Dude... the first post I made gets infinite full attacks assuming you can stack synchronicity and have a recharge mechanic.  How much more uber do you really need?

[KellKheraptis]

Barbarian 1/Ardent 10/Abjurant Champion 5/Champion of Saridor 3/xxx 1

Sub fast movement for Pounce.
Sub rage and indomitable will for archery style and favored enemy.
Sub archery style for fast movement and wild shape.
Sub wild shape and armor and shield proficiencies for monk AC bonus, fast movement, Track, favored enemy, and swift tracker.
Sub one favored enemy for Arcane Hunter.  Do whatever with the other.
Sub mantle for Dominant Ideal.

This little gem gets at least 18 ML/at least 16 BAB, at least 40' movement, pounce, track, and full use of it's massive Wisdom score.  Fighter as the random level brings you up to 17 BAB/18 ML, Fort 11, Ref 5, Will 12, with full capability to buff with AC goodies and Precog/Defensive and Inertial Armor.  Knowledge Devotion and a few skill points (possibly knowledge mantle, subbing or adding in useful powers pertaining to scrying/precognition, to nab more knowledge skills as class skills) provides a power free insight bonus to hit and damage, plus with a Chameleon Crafter, you can pick up Wraithstrike.  Ensure you have your trusty Valorous Lance of Vaulting, Twin Power, and Battle Jump and friends (feat leeched if need be from the pet rock), and let the enemy feel rage in the form of nonstop full attack pouncing impalement.  I will call him...Vlad.

[X-Codes]

Battle Jump is well known to Endaire, and while the feat is badly worded, it doesn't actually say that you get a free attack by using it.

Also, Sun School doesn't give a full attack, just a single attack.  It's an old tactical feat from CWar that requires Flurry of Blows.  Aside from the ability to smack something after teleporting, it's pretty craptacular.

[KellKheraptis]

Battle Jump is well known to Endaire, and while the feat is badly worded, it doesn't actually say that you get a free attack by using it.

Also, Sun School doesn't give a full attack, just a single attack.  It's an old tactical feat from CWar that requires Flurry of Blows.  Aside from the ability to smack something after teleporting, it's pretty craptacular.

It is automatically considered a charge, thus enabling Pounce, as I understand the trick.  That much is even spelled out in the Normal section of the feat, stating falling does not normally initiate a charge.  It's not well written, but short of blowing mass levels and ML on one of the two feat sink classes, it's the best we've got to work with without REAL shadow pouncing.

Now, lemme work on a bardic version abusing Contemplative opening up the entire Cleric list to a Sublime Chord.  It'd be a DP Abjurant Champion gish, but oh my the CL...also would work well with a Chameleon Crafter turning all these nice powers into spells.

EDIT : Oh, and my ubermage will most likely have this as an integrated trick.

[Rebel7284]

When you twin a power, how do you make sure you have time to fall 5 feet between the first and the second time the power goes off?

[PlzBreakMyCampaign]

I whole heartedly hate multipouncing both fluffwise and mechanically.

If you really must make mundanes cry go reread psionic lion's charge. Not that anyone should allow that either but...

[KellKheraptis]

I whole heartedly hate multipouncing both fluffwise and mechanically.

If you really must make mundanes cry go reread psionic lion's charge. Not that anyone should allow that either but...

As in that debate earlier that RAW it gives 3 full attacks on a swift without twinning?  Also debating on using that. or it's arcane equivalent.