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Re: Who can beat Azathoth?
« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2011, 04:24:06 AM »
It looks like have people have found plenty of ways to beat Azzie.

Who wants to try rebuilding him so that none of the builds mentioned could do it in less than 100 rounds, without making him unbeatable?

I'm not sure you could rebuild him as he is portrayed in fiction.  Azathoth is Lovecrafts take on Mana Yood Sushai, one of the Gods of Pegana by Lord Dunsany.  Effectively Azathoth is a creator deity whose dreams are what we call reality, and if he is awoken, reality ceases to exist.

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Re: Who can beat Azathoth?
« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2011, 08:47:43 AM »
Combat doesn't last that long.  If you're ten minutes in and haven't beaten your opponent, you lost or you left.

When dealing with an entity as vast as a deity, something about that just doesn't seem right to me.

So look at it from the other direction.  If a deity has been trying to directly outright murder one of more mortals, for the last ten minutes, and he hasn't succeeded, does that seem right to you?

Your 100 plus round combat isn't going to happen without a new special ability like "Arbitrary Fight Scene Extension (Ex): Azathoth cannot be defeated for the first 100 rounds of any encounter.  This ability is a specific exception to any abilities anyone else has that would allow him to be beaten.  Azathoth cannot defeat anyone for the first 100 rounds of an encounter, either."  If he's beatable, it will happen before Round 100.  If he's not, he fails one of your wants and he looks pretty silly taking that long to kill mortals he can't lose to.
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Re: Who can beat Azathoth?
« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2011, 10:28:30 AM »
Why even beat him in combat? Just take a Beguiler 5/Mindbender 1 and make a simple Bluff check, using Mindbender's Telepathy since Int 3 is probably too dumb for it to understand speech (He has 0 ranks, so it's an easy check with Glibness) to get him to accept a Robe of Powerlessness Awesomeness as a gift for him. Then ask him to try it on to see how it looks. :)
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Re: Who can beat Azathoth?
« Reply #43 on: September 26, 2011, 08:12:05 PM »
Any character who can hit AC 23 can kill him on a 21,000 gp budget.
Why, Because 20,000 gp of holy water and some dust of dryness (850 gp) makes a holy hand grenade that deals 1600d4 damage (average 4000).
a 8th level wizard has enough money, an could use true strike and launch item. Hell, the wizard only need survive one turn within 180+move speed of the guy before killing him. With a level 0 spell.
Sure it would take 3/4 of his WBL, but it's to one-shot kill something CR 50.
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Re: Who can beat Azathoth?
« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2011, 08:19:32 PM »
Just noticed Enda noticed Alter Reality before I did.

Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds him.



Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"
To be fair, it's a really poorly built greater deity.

Still ... I don't see optimizing that can handle 15+ random SDAs.

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