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Getting Shadows consistently into a Bag of Holding
« on: September 18, 2011, 11:36:18 PM »
Dear all,

I've been thinking for a bit.  Shadows can be made using Create Greater Undead Spell.  We can use Turn Undead to order the shadows into a bag of holding and then close the bag.  Since shadows do only Str damage they cannot pierce the bag.  Later on we can let the shadows go from our control and be fine.

Now, here's the kicker.  Is there a way to force the shadow into the bag outside of controlling it?  Such as an undead warding item or somesuch?  I'd like to be able to fit the maximum amount of shadows into a bag of holding rather than just buy new bags since I am limited to how many I can control at one time.

Thoughts?  Ideas?

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Re: Getting Shadows consistently into a Bag of Holding
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2011, 12:20:28 AM »
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Re: Getting Shadows consistently into a Bag of Holding
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2011, 12:34:22 AM »
Not a bad idea, however, I can see this working for only for one shadow.  The problem is that as soon as the bag of holding is opened, I imagine a bunch of shadows trying to get out and Telekinesis is granting only one Bull Rush Attempt.

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Re: Getting Shadows consistently into a Bag of Holding
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2011, 12:39:20 AM »
It seems like what you need is some sort of one-way ward--one which will prevent shadows from exiting the bag, but not prevent the new shadows from entering the bag. 

Forbiddance coupled with Extraordinary Spell Aim to exclude the shadow you're putting in?  Spell intensive, but it seems like it should work.

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Re: Getting Shadows consistently into a Bag of Holding
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2011, 03:46:08 AM »
I like the idea of forbiddence but it seems to only do damage, not actually prevent movement.  I don't know if the shadows would know to stop moving to prevent themselves from getting killed.

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Re: Getting Shadows consistently into a Bag of Holding
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2011, 08:02:00 AM »
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Re: Getting Shadows consistently into a Bag of Holding
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2011, 11:10:35 AM »


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Re: Getting Shadows consistently into a Bag of Holding
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2011, 11:38:24 AM »
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Re: Getting Shadows consistently into a Bag of Holding
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2011, 02:24:51 PM »
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Re: Getting Shadows consistently into a Bag of Holding
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2011, 05:36:49 PM »
Don't forget the Transdimensional Fist of Stone to bull rush them into the permanent Windwall/Gust of Wind effect or to just Bi*** Slap them when they get uppity.


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Re: Getting Shadows consistently into a Bag of Holding
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2011, 07:54:00 PM »
Repulsion and make sure you always open the bag toward yourself?
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Re: Getting Shadows consistently into a Bag of Holding
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2011, 08:15:46 PM »
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Create Spawn (Su):Any humanoid reduced to Strength 0 by a shadow becomes a shadow under the control of its killer within 1d4 rounds.

You only need to lure 1 shadow into the bag.  Then fill it up with as many commoners as you can manage. :)
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Re: Getting Shadows consistently into a Bag of Holding
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2011, 08:19:58 PM »
Quote from: Shadow
Create Spawn (Su):Any humanoid reduced to Strength 0 by a shadow becomes a shadow under the control of its killer within 1d4 rounds.

You only need to lure 1 shadow into the bag.  Then fill it up with as many commoners as you can manage. :)
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Re: Getting Shadows consistently into a Bag of Holding
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2011, 01:52:21 PM »
Quick question: What volume does a single shadow take up? And can two incorporeal creatures share a space?
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Re: Getting Shadows consistently into a Bag of Holding
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2011, 03:44:02 PM »
Quick question: What volume does a single shadow take up? And can two incorporeal creatures share a space?
Technically there's no limit on how many creatures can occupy a single space, it's just that something bad tends to happen if you end your turn in someone else's space.

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Re: Getting Shadows consistently into a Bag of Holding
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2011, 04:24:25 PM »
I assume a medium creature takes up 1 5 ft cubic square, thus the most expensive bag of holding holds 750 cubic feet so I estimate 150 shadows at least.

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Re: Getting Shadows consistently into a Bag of Holding
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2011, 05:02:11 PM »
Quote from: Shadow
Create Spawn (Su):Any humanoid reduced to Strength 0 by a shadow becomes a shadow under the control of its killer within 1d4 rounds.

You only need to lure 1 shadow into the bag.  Then fill it up with as many commoners as you can manage. :)

How many Spawn can 1 Shadow control at a given time?
If the limit is reasonably high, you might be able to control the full bag with just a handful of actual Hitdice of controlled Shadows + their spawn.

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Re: Getting Shadows consistently into a Bag of Holding
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2011, 05:03:50 PM »
Quote from: Shadow
Create Spawn (Su):Any humanoid reduced to Strength 0 by a shadow becomes a shadow under the control of its killer within 1d4 rounds.

You only need to lure 1 shadow into the bag.  Then fill it up with as many commoners as you can manage. :)

How many Spawn can 1 Shadow control at a given time?
If the limit is reasonably high, you might be able to control the full bag with just a handful of actual Hitdice of controlled Shadows + their spawn.
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Re: Getting Shadows consistently into a Bag of Holding
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2011, 05:27:42 PM »
Now just to make sure only the alpha shadow does the killing. Then see if you can take him/it as your cohort or some such.

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Re: Getting Shadows consistently into a Bag of Holding
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2011, 07:49:15 PM »
Potential uses for massive amounts of shadows? Or an overarching bbeg apocalyptic plot that the players will never see coming?