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Re: Do I see a loophole here, or am I being dense?
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2011, 12:15:47 PM »
Does this work the way it seems to though? Is only weapon damage multiplied (that seems to be RAI) or is it all damage? If so, I'm using this on every character who can use one.

EDIT: ABILITY DAMAGE.

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Re: Do I see a loophole here, or am I being dense?
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2011, 01:07:47 PM »
A Manyfang Weapon of Unerring Direction (MIC) and Ruin (ELH) would be made of WIN and AWESOME.

Add Kaorti Resin for fun.

Use a Kukri or 2 + Blood in the Water.

You can Crit objects and constructs as if they were living creatures, a crit from you does x7 damage from normal, you ignore miss chances, DR and Hardness...

Getting into a vault was never easier.

Plus, since you can Crit Objects, you can charge Blood in the Water to Infinity by dragging it on the ground - expect Druids to attack you on sight for bringing Ruin to the world (you leave a crater behind you, just walking...).

Add Bodyfeeder (+3), and you have a TON of THP, all the time, by attacking the ground - you treat it as a Living Creature, so Bodyfeeder works.

How do you get x7 ? The Kaorti Resin makes it x4, but i cant seem to figure out where you get the rest.

Probably because it's manyfang. A normal Manyfang dagger has 4x on a normal hit, 5x on a crit. Easy to move that up to that a normally x4 weapon does x7 on a crit.

Ohh... i was under the impression that if you rolled say 10 damage, then that got multiplied by 4. Thats 40 damage. And if you did a crit, then it would be 4 times 40 damage. But your way seems to be RaW and a bit more balanced and sane.
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Re: Do I see a loophole here, or am I being dense?
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2011, 02:30:57 PM »
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Re: Do I see a loophole here, or am I being dense?
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2011, 03:09:41 PM »
Buy 12 of them and add Mouthpick enhancement.  Give them to the druid that is wild shaped into a cryo-hydra.  He now gets iterative attacks x 12, all that deal ridiculous amounts of damage. :)
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Re: Do I see a loophole here, or am I being dense?
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2011, 03:47:26 PM »
Quadrupling the amazing damage dealing possibilities of telekinesis.
Colossal+++++ manyfanged darkwood crossbow bolts. Reaching an average damage of over four thousands hit points.
(Plus a colossal++++ manyfanged darkwood crossbow bolt, for weight limit reasons.)

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Re: Do I see a loophole here, or am I being dense?
« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2011, 04:11:58 PM »
Seems like Endarire has to update his Hood guide.

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Re: Do I see a loophole here, or am I being dense?
« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2011, 04:30:06 PM »
Quadrupling the amazing damage dealing possibilities of telekinesis.
Colossal+++++ manyfanged darkwood crossbow bolts. Reaching an average damage of over four thousands hit points.
(Plus a colossal++++ manyfanged darkwood crossbow bolt, for weight limit reasons.)

I feel annoyed when people use the colossal+ size category.  As i recall, the rules state that an object can't be bigger than colossal.  Just because there is a 3.0 table for some epic dragons to calculate breath weapon damage does not override that.

Also, just using colossal crossbow bolts is overkill enough!
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Re: Do I see a loophole here, or am I being dense?
« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2011, 05:22:43 PM »
Serpent Kingdoms. Like, the book where Pun Pun is from.

So the chance to get the book allowed is zero? It's one of the few books on my banlist...

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Re: Do I see a loophole here, or am I being dense?
« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2011, 05:46:46 PM »
Serpent Kingdoms. Like, the book where Pun Pun is from.

So the chance to get the book allowed is zero? It's one of the few books on my banlist...

Why banning entire books instead of banning things on a case-by-case basis (cases, mostly)?
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Re: Do I see a loophole here, or am I being dense?
« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2011, 06:19:37 PM »
With Serpent Kingdoms, it's better to ban the whole book and then allow things case by case if requested.  That whole book is seriously horrifically balanced.

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Re: Do I see a loophole here, or am I being dense?
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2011, 06:23:48 PM »
Quadrupling the amazing damage dealing possibilities of telekinesis.
Colossal+++++ manyfanged darkwood crossbow bolts. Reaching an average damage of over four thousands hit points.
(Plus a colossal++++ manyfanged darkwood crossbow bolt, for weight limit reasons.)

I feel annoyed when people use the colossal+ size category.  As i recall, the rules state that an object can't be bigger than colossal.  Just because there is a 3.0 table for some epic dragons to calculate breath weapon damage does not override that.

Also, just using colossal crossbow bolts is overkill enough!

Weight of item doubles per size category, so a colossal X weighs 16 times as much as a medium X. What size category is an X that weighs 32 times as much as a medium X? (assuming same materials for all X)

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Re: Do I see a loophole here, or am I being dense?
« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2011, 07:31:56 PM »
With Serpent Kingdoms, it's better to ban the whole book and then allow things case by case if requested.  That whole book is seriously horrifically balanced.

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You ban Sarrukhs, Venomfire, and, uhm, maybe Ability Rip? What else is broken/broken-good in SK? I guess Manyfanged here qualifies. Tons of stacked Fang Traps... Did I miss anything?
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Re: Do I see a loophole here, or am I being dense?
« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2011, 11:25:18 PM »
Seems like Endarire has to update his Hood guide.
I've had this part of my max charger (its a jumping centuar on crack) build forever. zzzzz
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Re: Do I see a loophole here, or am I being dense?
« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2011, 11:39:04 PM »
Seems like Endarire has to update his Hood guide.
I've had this part of my max charger (its a jumping centuar on crack) build forever. zzzzz
Is it at least a Dragonborn centaur?  Might as well get that Dive multiplier.
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Re: Do I see a loophole here, or am I being dense?
« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2011, 11:43:29 PM »
Seems like Endarire has to update his Hood guide.
I've had this part of my max charger (its a jumping centuar on crack) build forever. zzzzz
Is it at least a Dragonborn centaur?  Might as well get that Dive multiplier.
Yeah he is, http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=3084.msg96175#msg96175.
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Re: Do I see a loophole here, or am I being dense?
« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2011, 04:55:23 PM »
I feel annoyed when people use the colossal+ size category.  As i recall, the rules state that an object can't be bigger than colossal.  Just because there is a 3.0 table for some epic dragons to calculate breath weapon damage does not override that.

It wasn't just for breath weapons, nor was it necessarily limited to dragons (though that was how it was introduced).

As well, the fact it is a set of 3.0 rules means nothing, since it was never updated.

C+ exists, like it or not.

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Re: Do I see a loophole here, or am I being dense?
« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2011, 07:19:52 PM »
Buy 12 of them and add Mouthpick enhancement.  Give them to the druid that is wild shaped into a cryo-hydra.  He now gets iterative attacks x 12, all that deal ridiculous amounts of damage. :)

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Re: Do I see a loophole here, or am I being dense?
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Re: Do I see a loophole here, or am I being dense?
« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2011, 07:01:50 AM »
And this is why I don't like that book *sigh*. Still, that is pretty awesome.
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Re: Do I see a loophole here, or am I being dense?
« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2011, 08:13:10 AM »
Wait, people hadn't heard of the Manyfanged Dagger?  It's been around for yonks...

Mostly on stupid Wightblade builds.  Or people thinking they can sneak attack with it.


Personally my favourite is natural weapon amulet manyfangs on a venomfire'd fleshraker, but I see someone beat me to it.