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making an acrobatic Dex focused gish, need advice.
« on: August 02, 2011, 12:06:20 AM »
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imagine her, but also a god wizard... 

lesser tiefling, or grey elf will be the race (i want the +2 to dex, and int)

i already know i will probably start with spellthief, and go into conjurer or transmuter... im pretty sure i will use abjurant champion, but spelldancer is a definite.   im looking for more stealthy full casting prcs that hopefully does not have a poor bab.. hmm..?

and i REALLY need a glaive-ish polearm that has reach, and can be finessed.. does that exist at all??


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Re: making an acrobatic Dex focused gish, need advice.
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2011, 12:17:18 AM »
Necropolitan fire elf or gray elf transmutation focused specialist/swiftblade?

Better if you go arcane swordsage/swiftblade.
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Re: making an acrobatic Dex focused gish, need advice.
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2011, 12:33:45 AM »
swiftblade is very sexy.. loses too many cl though.  i guess it could work though.

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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2011, 12:41:56 AM »
swiftblade is very sexy.. loses too many cl though.  i guess it could work though.
It loses a ton of caster levels, but it's quite probably the ONLY PrC that loses more than a couple that's worth it. Very powerful. Works best in gestalt, though.

Oh, and how about squeezing a few levels of war weaver in there?
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Re: making an acrobatic Dex focused gish, need advice.
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2011, 01:04:02 AM »
war weaver ... really? ah.. i think i see.. nice.  i never looked at that as a gish type, but being that shes going to be buffing, may as well..

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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2011, 01:11:23 AM »
war weaver ... really? ah.. i think i see.. nice.  i never looked at that as a gish type, but being that shes going to be buffing, may as well..
With Heighten Spell shenanigans, you can enter war weaver after level 3. It's nice to super-buff everyone in your party (including yourself) as a move action. Then after you finish swiftblade, see about some legacy champion to extend war weaver. Grab an uber glaive or something to assist.
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Re: making an acrobatic Dex focused gish, need advice.
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2011, 01:18:18 AM »
war weaver 1 loses another cl though.. she will be lucky to get 6th level spells..

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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2011, 01:27:24 AM »
war weaver 1 loses another cl though.. she will be lucky to get 6th level spells..
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Or you could ask your DM if they'll convert over to psionics (and they should fairly easily) and go with ardent and Practiced Manifester? You'll only lose two MLs and one power level.
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Re: making an acrobatic Dex focused gish, need advice.
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2011, 01:32:25 AM »
i REALLY need a glaive-ish polearm that has reach, and can be finessed.. does that exist at all??

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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2011, 01:36:06 AM »
i REALLY need a glaive-ish polearm that has reach, and can be finessed.. does that exist at all??
Reflavor the spiked chain?

Though spinning sword might be okay...
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Re: making an acrobatic Dex focused gish, need advice.
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2011, 01:57:04 AM »
i REALLY need a glaive-ish polearm that has reach, and can be finessed.. does that exist at all??

where do i find the naginata? is it finessable?  aptitude is a possible solution... but really?  there are no finessable reach weapons beside the spiked chain, and the one handed oriental version in the dmg ?

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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2011, 02:11:45 AM »
By the way, there's a psionic version of Haste in Untapped Potential called Physical Acceleration. Egoist 3, psywar 2, and it's self-only.
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Re: making an acrobatic Dex focused gish, need advice.
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2011, 02:54:07 AM »
where do i find the naginata? is it finessable?  aptitude is a possible solution... but really?  there are no finessable reach weapons beside the spiked chain, and the one handed oriental version in the dmg ?

It's from Oriental Adventures, and it can't be used with weapon finesse.  It's just a reflavored glaive. 

The only reach weapons I can think of that can be used with weapon finesse are chain (Oriental Adventures), kawanaga (Oriental Adventures), kusari-gama, spiked chain, spinning sword (Secrets of Sarlona), whip, and whip dagger (Sword and Fist). 

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Re: making an acrobatic Dex focused gish, need advice.
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2011, 03:36:19 AM »
If you're taking a level of Spellthief, may as well take 2 or more levels of Unseen Seer.  Great skills, and picking up essentially Rogue's full sneak attack progression is flavorful for a dex-based character. 

@Lycanthromancer: Swiftblade is pretty bad at being a GOD wizard.  Gish - sure as many of the best buff spells are lower level and don't care about caster level and Swiftblade gets a bunch of built-in buffs.  God - no.
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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2011, 04:33:41 AM »
I suggest a Sublime Chord/UM/Master Spellthief Build with Arcane Disciple (war). Then you are a decent gish, and can find out what weapon you want to use from time to time with that spell that gives you an extra fighter feat.
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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2011, 04:55:38 AM »
Depending on your starting level, find some way to qualify, then take factotum 8/swordsage 2/chameleon 10? I'm sure you can make that as a hard hitter gish GOD, if you try hard.
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Re: making an acrobatic Dex focused gish, need advice.
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2011, 11:06:44 AM »
Illumian strikes me as better for the DEX casting, though. Saves you a stat.
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« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2011, 11:22:28 AM »
Illumian strikes me as better for the DEX casting, though. Saves you a stat.
I think Illumian with Shadow Blade is certainly a good start. Maybe swordsage/wizard/unseen seer or swordsage/wizard/jade phoenix mage?
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Re: making an acrobatic Dex focused gish, need advice.
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2011, 11:28:44 AM »
Have you considered simply eating the -2 or -3 to-hit you'd get from not getting Weapon Finesse?  You're going to want at least 13 Strength for Power Attacking with that two-hander (you can start with 12 as a Gray Elf easily enough), and you won't be able to afford much more than a 16 Dex if you still want solid Int, even with the +2 racial bonus.

As for Unseen Seer, I really see that as only being an option if you're going for a Rogue-styled Gish, not for an agile fighter.  All those ranks in Search cross-class are brutal when working with the 2+int Wizard.

Even though you're probably going to top out at 7th- or 8th-level spells, Swiftblades get two distinct advantages over full-casters:

1) Two standard actions per round.
2) 50% un-dispellable miss chance with all attacks and targeted spells.

The pre-reqs also mesh nicely with Elusive Target, which makes it forgivable to just ignore your AC since the typical advantage, forcing opponents to Power Attack for less, is rendered moot.

As such, while a Swiftblade wouldn't be an optimal GOD Wizard, it can certainly act in that capacity if there's not something better around.

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Re: making an acrobatic Dex focused gish, need advice.
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2011, 01:04:30 PM »
If 3.0 feats are allowed

Bastards and Bloodlines has a feat called Lost Tradition, page 91.

Lost Tradition (General)
"You are descended from a group of spellcasters who had very different ways of mastering magic, and you follow in their tradition."

Benefits: Choose one spellcasting class. You may change which ability score governs spellcasting with that class. That ability cannot be changed again.

For example, Meishel Ellazen is a houri cleric. She takes the Lost Tradition feat and chooses to base her clerical spellcasting on Charisma instead of Wistdom. She now uses her Charisma score to determine her bonus spells, spell save DCs, maximum spell level she may cast, and any other calculation regarding her cleric spells.

Or, You are an Acrobatic Gish, you pick a cha or int based spellcaster and cast from Dex, thereby making you less MAD and suiting the fluff/flavour perfectly.

Special: You can take this feat only at 1st level.