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I need ULTRA CHEESE
« on: July 31, 2011, 04:42:43 PM »
I need some kind of ULTRA cheese with 19-20 ecl

The party will be going into epic levels REALLY soon here.

The 2 main chars consist of a living construct that can't really die and does over 2600 dmg a round and a wiz who is a chosen of Labelas Enoreth, has access to normally restricted and other custom time magic, get free crafting exp every day, has his own demi-plane where time is dilated and is out side of the normal time spectrum and thus he can make and almost do what what ever he needs and is almost to netherese arcanist.

Both of these chars are super cheese builds so I need the same. I'm talking about crazy things that are totally loop holes in the rules and taking advantage of typos and other ridiculous cheese of this nature

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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2011, 05:21:28 PM »
Short of copying something off the TO boards, I have to recommend the most broken possible build. Any build, but you bring a tire iron to the gaming table and grip it whenever something doesn't go your way, glaring at the DM.
So you end up stuck in an endless loop, unable to act, forever.

In retrospect, much like Keanu Reeves.

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Re: I need ULTRA CHEESE
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2011, 05:22:31 PM »
Here is some cheese to consider.

Cancer Mage prc (1 level is enough) (BoVD p.52) + vile rigidity disease (BoVD p.32) + festering anger disease (BoVD p.30) = near infinite strength + near infinite natural armor (when enough time passes). Cancer Mage gains the positive aspects of the diseases and ignores the negative aspects.

Can't get more ridiculous than that.. Well, it actually can.

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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2011, 05:30:36 PM »
Pun-Pun.
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Re: I need ULTRA CHEESE
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2011, 05:30:59 PM »
pun pun

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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2011, 05:45:43 PM »
Illthid Savant.

Or...

Some kind of Nar Demonbinder/Spellthief (with master spellthief)/Sublime Chord/Ultimate Magus BS where you can cast blasphemy as holy word, word of chaos, or dictum, and jack your caster level up to an idiotic amount.

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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2011, 06:14:07 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2011, 06:20:12 PM »
The Jumplomancer is fun, if you want to go the diplomacy route.

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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2011, 08:59:29 PM »
The Jumplomancer is fun, if you want to go the diplomacy route.
He was the guy to get the highest Diplomacy check ever, right?

Something Good Fort 1/Something Good Fort 2/Cancer Mage 1/xxx 1/Ur-Priest 2/Prestige Paladin 4/Bone Knight 8/Contemplative 1 With sword of the arcane order and troll blooded is my suggestion. All Arcane, all Divine Spells, Unlimited AC, Unlimited Strength, impervious to HP damage. Can't go wrong here.
Or, you could use the Divine Minion early intro to Beholder Mage. Mix it up with Cancer Mage and you are set for being very optimized.
That is if you don't just want to go Pun-Pun.
Monks are pretty much the best designed class ever.

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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2011, 09:11:16 PM »
Steel Dragon!

OMG, STEEL DRAGON!

Well, crap. Wizard, not sorcerer. *sighs* nm. You could have used some time magic for some rapid self aging instantly granting your self HD, dozens of abilities, and of course epic spells (at level 12 or so!) with free access to all divine spells as arcane spells. Not to mention in inherent Acid immunity means with Mantle of the Fiery Soul, Troll-Blooded, and a seven level dip in Pale Master (or Bone Knight 8) you would be immune to all damage. Still, Mixster's build may have more cheese in it, after all he is applying a Paladin only ACF to a whole other class just because they share one word in it's name.

Mixster's build as far as I know still dies by fire & acid.
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Re: I need ULTRA CHEESE
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2011, 09:17:09 PM »
Steel Dragon!

OMG, STEEL DRAGON!

Well, crap. Wizard, not sorcerer. *sighs* nm. You could have used some time magic for some rapid self aging instantly granting your self HD, dozens of abilities, and of course epic spells (at level 12 or so!) with free access to all divine spells as arcane spells. Not to mention in inherent Acid immunity means with Mantle of the Fiery Soul, Troll-Blooded, and a seven level dip in Pale Master (or Bone Knight 8) you would be immune to all damage. Still, Mixster's build may have more cheese in it, after all he is applying a Paladin only ACF to a whole other class just because they share one word in it's name.

Mixster's build as far as I know still dies by fire & acid.

Yeah, you need to add the saint template, buy it off and cast energy immunity fire. Or just cast energy immunity fire and then energy immunity acid.

And it isn't paladin only ACF, it's a feat. Not that it matters, it's a VERY literal reading of the feat, but it should work.
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Re: I need ULTRA CHEESE
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2011, 09:23:29 PM »
Wizard/Hathran/Incantrix

Persist spell tech, make sure to use an Acorn of Far Travel to pick up permanent Spirit Magic from everywhere. Also Persistent Unfettered Heroism, so that you have unlimited numbers of spells all day long, while also casting any spell you have out of your spellbook.

Toss in your own demiplane, etc. Add cheddar. Season to taste.

Of course, this isn't even "cheese" in the strictest sense of the word, as you are asking for.

If you really want cheese, substitute Beholder Mage for your wizard base.
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Re: I need ULTRA CHEESE
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2011, 09:24:02 PM »
Quote
Both of these chars are super cheese builds so I need the same. I'm talking about crazy things that are totally loop holes in the rules and taking advantage of typos and other ridiculous cheese of this nature

OK, well in that case.

Quote from: Wild soul, complete mage
At 2nd level, you gain immunity to magic and nonmagical sleep effects.

They said "magic", not "magical".  So if you read it literally you're now immune to magic.

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Start off taking a level of the ghost savage progression at level 1, and human heritage, resulting in gaining undead traits while remaining humanoid.  You advance the ghost savage progression class with legacy champion to level 4.

This makes you literally immune to death.  You're going to want to take telekinesis and the ability drain ability, since the savage progression adds strength to ability drain against any target that's on the same plane (by default: the ethereal, but you can planeshift).  If they're immune to ability score depletion, you'll use your backup weapon: 15 darkwood colossal++++ (I believe that's a base 16d6 each) crossbow bolts coated in drow poison flung via telekinesis.

You will also take the landlord feat, and make a flying box covered in ninth level spell turrets, with a warforged bard playing a lyre of building inside to make it invulnerable.
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Re: I need ULTRA CHEESE
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2011, 09:35:01 PM »
Yeah, you need to add the saint template, buy it off and cast energy immunity fire. Or just cast energy immunity fire and then energy immunity acid.
O.o

As in an Epic spell or some spell I've never heard of (is it subject to dispel?).
Source if it's the latter.

And it isn't paladin only ACF, it's a feat. Not that it matters, it's a VERY literal reading of the feat, but it should work.
I guess I meant Feat then. A Feat that very literally says you can use your paladin and ranger spell slots to prepare wizard spells which normally wouldn't include Ur-Priest spell slots. But a Feat none the less.

Either way, I know it was dripping with some kind of cheese. :p
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2011, 09:38:54 PM »
Option 1:  Archivist 3/Binder 1/Anima Mage 10/Tenebrous Apostate 5/Tainted Sorcerer 1.  Bind Naberius and Zceryl.  You'll need Improved Binding, Dmm: Persistant Spell, and, well, whatever other metamagics sound fun.  Take Con damage to power your metamagics, and then heal it rapidly with Naberius or instantly via summoned minions that can cast Heal.  Persist all the spells you want.  Also, your effective casting stat should be at least in the 50s due to the way Tainted Sorcerer works.  Destroy everything in your path.

Option 2:  By RAW, the Factotum's Cunning Brilliance could let you copy the spellcasting ability of a Sorcerer, Beguiler, Warmage, Favoured Soul, or Dread Necromancer as needed.  This can lead to all kinds of wackiness.

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« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2011, 09:39:39 PM »
Energy immunity is in spell compendium.  sixth or seventh level.  Either 24 hour or CL hours duration - whichever it is, it's long.
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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2011, 09:48:29 PM »
There is mantle of the fiery spirit (SS 118) to gain the fire subtype, it is instantaneous.
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« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2011, 10:21:27 PM »
Energy immunity is in spell compendium.  sixth or seventh level.  Either 24 hour or CL hours duration - whichever it is, it's long.
Yeah, and it's subject to Dispel, Disjunction, and Antimagic so it's not as cool as one could hope. Mantle of the Fiery Soul isn't (instantaneous, gives the [Fire] subtype), the Steel's inherent Acid immunity isn't, and both the Bone Knight's Exoskeleton of Undeath and Pale Master's Tough as Bone are Extraordinary Abilities. Unpreventable immunity to damage. The hard crunch really is the Acid Immunity, Epics can probably fix that though.

*poke*
JaronK's 2nd option takes the cake for cheesiest, but not for power.. All rules saying otherwise aside, it requires JaonK to ignore half of his own damn argument for it to work.
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Planar Bubble, probably wrong on the name but it is a spell in the Planar Handbook or Manual of the Planes I believe, allows you to pretty much replicate the super powers of a Planar Sheppard (10:1 turn ratio for people near you vs not).
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Re: I need ULTRA CHEESE
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2011, 10:33:11 PM »
Divine Minion Human Factotum 8/Illithid Savant 10

Use aberration wild shape to qualify for Illithid Savant.

Illithid savant is definitely one of the most broken prestige classes. In addition, the epic Illithid Savant progression is by far the best epic progression of any class.

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« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2011, 11:03:45 PM »
Option 1:  Archivist 3/Binder 1/Anima Mage 10/Tenebrous Apostate 5/Tainted Sorcerer 1.  Bind Naberius and Zceryl.  You'll need Improved Binding, Dmm: Persistant Spell, and, well, whatever other metamagics sound fun.  Take Con damage to power your metamagics, and then heal it rapidly with Naberius or instantly via summoned minions that can cast Heal.  Persist all the spells you want.  Also, your effective casting stat should be at least in the 50s due to the way Tainted Sorcerer works.  Destroy everything in your path.
I'd actually rather have Balam than Zceryl. Being able to re-roll anything you want every 1d4 rounds is insanely uber, IMO... You could get all the stuff from Zceryl (that you actually care about) via spells/feats/etc.

But actually... you might just take Binder 1 for Naberius, and then combine this with Beholder Mage's suggestions... A tainted sorcerer/hathran with an Acorn of Far Travel would be pretty horrific to behold...

Throw on a Planar Bubble of the Far Realm, and go to town with 100 spells per round... with unbeatable save DCs...
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