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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2011, 12:41:08 PM »
thx to all for the advices!!

What about my build?

better drop the melee druid and going into spells focus?
How?

P.S.


Braces of entangling blast --> MIC is not allowed :(

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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2011, 12:54:07 PM »
thx to all for the advices!!

What about my build?

better drop the melee druid and going into spells focus?
How?
Just cast spells. You're a druid. You don't need to change anything about your "build". You can melee when you guys fight smaller numbers. You don't kill an army with melee...
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2011, 01:00:25 PM »
thx to all for the advices!!

What about my build?

better drop the melee druid and going into spells focus?
How?
Just cast spells. You're a druid. You don't need to change anything about your "build". You can melee when you guys fight smaller numbers. You don't kill an army with melee...

exact.. it's better to drop my feats to get "spells feats"?

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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2011, 02:58:15 PM »
I was actually thinking of Kelgore's Grave Mist, but didn't think it was on the Druid list...

You don't need to change ANYTHING.  Unless your DM allows some really awesome splat feats, all you can really do for your spells is up the save DC a little or increase CL against SR (neither an issue for Spike Growth, and barely an issue for Entangle).  The only thing you need is more spell slots.  Which means money.  Scrolls.  Maybe pearls of power, but those are still pricy at your level.  Wisdom +2 item if it'll nab you another 2nd or 3rd level spell per day.  The only thing limiting you right now is your spells/day (and actions/round, of course, but that's a lot more expensive and "DM wrath triggering" to increase...).

Typical Druid either gets summoning feats (Spell Focus Conj, Augment Summoning, splat book overpowered summoning feats like Greenbound Summoning...) or melee feats.  Whichever you have, they're equally not useful here.  Fighting an army isn't a "normal" D&D encounter.  You can't realy be expected to build towards that, and I'm not sure there's many great feat choices to build towards it with.  Only thing that immediately pops out ot me is Sculpt Spell, but that's only good on spells that don't already have massive areas of effect, and it increases the spell level by 1.  Since your high level slots are so few and precious, the only reasonable way to get use out of sculpt spell right now would be a lesser metamagic rod (3000 gp to use it 3/day on a spell level 3 or lower) of it.

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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2011, 03:06:45 PM »
If you lack a tower shield, wrench a nearby door off its hinges.

That spell confirms my suspicions that low-level Druids are nonetheless extremely valuable casters in mass battle. Entangle started it.

Druids gets tons of area spells that screw over melee characters but don't really bother a mage at all.  IMO, druids are the best "bullies" of the full spellcasters -- they get tons of battlefield control spells to stop melee guys in their tracks, can summon their own brutes, and have an animal companion and can turn themselves into a brute themselves.

However, they fail badly in magic duels, utterly lacking a whole slew of good anti-caster spells and getting other important ones at late entry (like greater dispel magic).

Hence, they're bullies.  They're only really good at picking on the weak. :)

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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2011, 09:13:51 PM »
Braces of entangling blast --> MIC is not allowed :(

What?!??!
That sux. It is a pertectly reasonable item.
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2011, 07:21:05 AM »
i know... we got a real bad master...
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2011, 07:55:22 AM »
Do you guys enjoy fighting 50 or even 100 enemies in one fight? How long does one battle take you to solve?
Maybe you all should talk with your DM about that, or you are fighting 150 or 200 enemies in the future.

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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2011, 08:24:12 AM »
well it's not bad...

last fight we were near the mountains where the some giants live and we  have made ??a deal with them in combating the 100 soldiers who were coming
we have forced to go on a road full of boulders (so knights can't charge) and we fight in a small street (4 large squares) we kill 45 Of Them .. but as giants do not come .. we are going to die i think ...

paladin is -8 on ground and rogue is going to escape... shape in a desmodu hunting bat i win initiative so next session i try to get paladin and fly away... dunno how rogue can survive to knights...

also dunno if i can get him and fly away in 1 round.. what u think?
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2011, 10:13:46 AM »
also dunno if i can get him and fly away in 1 round.. what u think?

That would require flyby attack. Fly down, grapple, fly away.

I suggest you cast spike growth.
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2011, 10:24:35 AM »
also dunno if i can get him and fly away in 1 round.. what u think?

That would require flyby attack. Fly down, grapple, fly away.

I suggest you cast spike growth.

You could try to convince the DM that since he's unconscious/willing you don't need to attack him, just "pick it up" and picking stuff up might be included in a move action, but since he's already at -8 you might want to block the knights, stabilize him someway and THEN fly away or else he'll die mid-flight.
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2011, 12:03:02 PM »
This reminds me of the story from a tournament where a party was tasked with killing a seemingly unkillable amount of mooks attacking a castle.

The party had access to a flying carpet and the wizard had a few walls of fire handy, I can't remember the text for wall of fire but they ruled it that if the wizard kept concentrating on it it could move with the wizard. So you've got a rogue pilot flying around a wizard concentrating on a wall of fire acting like a Lawn Mower essentially, with the rogue full round moving everywhere the amount of mooks effected was a lot larger than anyone thought possible and they were outside effective combat range of said mooks.

Might not be relevant to you but might spark one or two ideas about using spells in different ways to achieve results, it's very true though... melee does not win war.... though a charge great cleavering charge might leave one hell of a dent, it's nothing compared to most AoE Spells.

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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2011, 12:29:38 PM »
well... i got only entangle...
no more lvl3 spells..
and knigts are in the adiacent square...
dunno how i can block them...
that bat got 20ac... not so many archers can hit him..
i could cast entangle and rogue could get him and run and next turn i shape and fly away...

dunno..

plan b could be let pala down and hope that they don't kill him and just follow them to get him back..

p.s.
i forgot to tell you that we use rules that allow me to get str bonus when i shape and to gain hp :D
also i got fast healing so i thought now that could heal him fly up  and hope that not so many archers hit me than
escape :)
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2011, 12:47:57 PM »
Clearly, the optimal tactic is to pick him up, then use him as an improvised throwing weapon, hopefully getting your kill counter one higher.

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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2011, 01:01:48 PM »
Clearly, the optimal tactic is to pick him up, then use him as an improvised throwing weapon, hopefully getting your kill counter one higher.
Plus he dies and maybe his next pg will be of an useful class!
* You kill one more, so more xp
* You save yourself
* You get a better party member
I see no downsides to this
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Rule 0?
Which, I guess, would be 'no rule,' since none = 0.
What's funny is he always brings up Rule 0. I actually had to ask him what that was, and without blinking an eye he gave me the most detailed explanation I'd ever heard for a rule. It was like he was in a trance when he spoke. Looking it up, it just said "The unspoken DM gets final say/veto anything he wants rule."
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2011, 01:10:00 PM »
Clearly, the optimal tactic is to pick him up, then use him as an improvised throwing weapon, hopefully getting your kill counter one higher.
Plus he dies and maybe his next pg will be of an useful class!
* You kill one more, so more xp
* You save yourself
* You get a better party member
I see no downsides to this
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2011, 04:40:58 PM »
So could you tell us the exact details of the fight, from the very beginning, what happened?

Did the DM not give you an in character day to prepare? How does he expect you all to survive such a fight without preparation?
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2011, 10:30:18 PM »
well...
let's say i let him die.. : ;)

what coulb be a nice class for my party?

considering my classic encounters... man y many soldiers..

cose maybe we got also one firend that join us..

so we are druid + barb/rogue + 2 more...
or

druid + barb/rogue + pala + 1 more

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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2011, 10:41:07 PM »
GOD Wizard.
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2011, 11:17:21 PM »


what coulb be a nice class for my party?
I'm thinking fighter


or samurai
 we were trying to match average class power level we we not?

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