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Bigtuna

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So Silence - When you are a caster (sorcerer in my case) that's a bitch...
I thought I had it figured out - so i brought an eternal wand of amplify - it counters silence - great end of problem.
- but NO - eternal wands are command activated.
Ah - but then I'll just buy a ring of silent spells - surely that will help me.
- but NO again - also bloody command activated. (so you can buy a ring that let's you keep all silent and sneaky - as long as you start by shouting some command word to the ring)...

I'm playing a rather tight build, so I have no room for feats or a dip into something - but I have gold. Or I'll get gold. I'll even kill something evil and take it's gold - just to buy something that will counter silence...

Any Ideas?

So far all I have is run out side the 20 feet radius of the silence - use my wand to counter it - and then run back...

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Re: Silence - how to counter it? (screaming in frustration doesn't work)
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2011, 06:49:32 AM »
Ring of counterspells. 

4000 gp, DMG.

Get a dude to cast silence into the ring, so when silence is cast on you, it's auto-countered.

Alternatively, can you say command words in Drow Sign?

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Re: Silence - how to counter it? (screaming in frustration doesn't work)
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2011, 07:00:31 AM »
get a ring of diamond mind and use the moment of perfect mind maneuver.

Alternatively, can you say command words in Drow Sign?
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Re: Silence - how to counter it? (screaming in frustration doesn't work)
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2011, 07:31:08 AM »
Thanks - I assume people cast silence next to me to avoid giving me a Will save - as a Caster will saves for a 2 lvl spell is easy. (or should be). And if not I'll have a Ruin Delvers fortune ready :-)

Drow signs?


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Re: Silence - how to counter it? (screaming in frustration doesn't work)
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2011, 08:31:17 AM »
Thanks - I assume people cast silence next to me to avoid giving me a Will save - as a Caster will saves for a 2 lvl spell is easy. (or should be). And if not I'll have a Ruin Delvers fortune ready :-)

Drow signs?



Drow have a sign language, ask the dm if you can get specific items that are activated by drow sign instead of spoken word.

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Re: Silence - how to counter it? (screaming in frustration doesn't work)
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2011, 11:12:59 AM »
Thanks - I assume people cast silence next to me to avoid giving me a Will save - as a Caster will saves for a 2 lvl spell is easy. (or should be). And if not I'll have a Ruin Delvers fortune ready :-)

Drow signs?
If they cast it on a point in space, move out of the area of effect.  If they cast it on a small object (pebbles and the like are common carriers of these sort of spell effects), pick the object up and put it in your pocket (blocking LoE).  If they cast it on you, counter with either Wings of Cover (they'll have the option to re-target the spell, so refer back to the above options) or Ruin Delver's Fortune (if it works, great; if not, you're SoL).

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Re: Silence - how to counter it? (screaming in frustration doesn't work)
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2011, 01:23:19 PM »
How about simple metamagic rods?

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Re: Silence - how to counter it? (screaming in frustration doesn't work)
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2011, 02:36:57 PM »
Be a psion! No components beyond xp means that Silence effects are greatly reduced. The only things you'll need to worry about are [sonic] effects, really.

Wait, DOES Silence counter damaging [sonic] effects? Logically, yes, but RAW?
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Re: Silence - how to counter it? (screaming in frustration doesn't work)
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2011, 04:22:52 PM »
Quote from: SRD Silence Spell
This spell provides a defense against sonic or language-based attacks.

So I say yes...

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Re: Silence - how to counter it? (screaming in frustration doesn't work)
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2011, 05:20:17 PM »
Ring of counterspells.  

4000 gp, DMG.

Get a dude to cast silence into the ring, so when silence is cast on you, it's auto-countered.

No one casts silence as a direct offensive spell!  That grants a save!  The problem with silence is having it cast on a willing creature or inanimate object with no save that is then brought near the caster (you).  There is NO save against this, and ring of counterspells does nothing.  Some easy solutions:

1. Meta Rod of Silence, as mentioned.
2. Iron Heart Surge via a novice Iron Heart Vest (3000 gp), but you need to already know an IH maneuver to get it.
3. Panic buttons are one-use magic items from C.Scoundrel, cost 750 gp.  Only requires a swift action to activate.  The panic button of Escape lets you dimension door 30 ft (out of the Silence's area).  Teleport out, then wand of amplify it!  The only problem would be the pesky "ends your turn" stipulation of DD...  Tactic probably works just as well with some of the MIC teleportation items, they can't ALL be command word activated...
4. You're a sorc, how's your Use Magic Device with all that charisma?  You could fashion a customized Rune Staff (MIC) with Amplify on it.  Rune Staff just lets you burn your own spell slots to cast the spells on the staff X times per day (1-3 each spell).  I don't think it has command word activation, and since you're simply casting the spell as if you had it, you should be able to benefit from Amplify's lack of a verbal component.  Any staff, like a wand, is a mere DC 20 to use.
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Re: Silence - how to counter it? (screaming in frustration doesn't work)
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2011, 05:27:23 PM »
Isn't there a spell that allows you to cast in Silence'd areas without problems? Craft Contingent Spell for 'trying to cast a Verbal spell in an area of Silence'.
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Re: Silence - how to counter it? (screaming in frustration doesn't work)
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2011, 05:30:37 PM »
*checks MIC*  Well, nevermind...
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Re: Silence - how to counter it? (screaming in frustration doesn't work)
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2011, 05:35:05 PM »
Get a Drakehelm or a Runestaff with Amplify in it, if it's such a big deal?
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Re: Silence - how to counter it? (screaming in frustration doesn't work)
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2011, 05:37:29 PM »
Arcane Thesis (Silent Spell)
Or just the said Metamagic Rods.
Or the Ring of Spell Battle (IIRC the name) to counter spells you don't like x/day.

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Re: Silence - how to counter it? (screaming in frustration doesn't work)
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2011, 05:38:25 PM »
How about a *Scroll* of Amplify.  Scrolls, as a Spell Completion Item, use the activation method like such:

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Spell Completion

Now, the spell Amplify only has Somatic Component as its components, as such, I think using the scroll of such spell requires only the gesture to be completed...

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Re: Silence - how to counter it? (screaming in frustration doesn't work)
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2011, 05:41:14 PM »
Isn't there a spell that allows you to cast in Silence'd areas without problems? Craft Contingent Spell for 'trying to cast a Verbal spell in an area of Silence'.
There is a spell that does that, though I forget the name. CantripN suggested it in a thread of mine on choosing spells known for a sorcerer several months ago...
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Re: Silence - how to counter it? (screaming in frustration doesn't work)
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2011, 06:10:36 PM »
@ Streamofthesky - Nice - I was just looking for my MIC when you posted...

Craft contingency is banned in my campagin - but I guess i could - if I REALLY wanted to cast a contingecy  + wand of amplify (not sure it that would work) or contingency + drake helmet with amblify...

Drow sign - I guess thats out...

Metamagic rod of silent spell - I can't believe i missed that one - but unless i get amplify on my spelllist it just let's me do something, not counter the amplify.
Well dimention leap and then next turn counterspell it... :-) - Oh dispelmagic! - that would work...

Runestaffs - lets you cast the spells as if they were spell known - but they have to on your class spelllist... Or you mean a bard runestaff used with UMD? Would that work? I don't have any bardspell...

I'm not a Psion... I'm a Sorc...

Panik bottom - cheap, fast to use, elegant - as long as i know where the silence is centered (and it isn't widened)

SCROLLS! Why didn't i get UMD up sooner - that's like 25 gp instead of 820 for an eternal wand...

Thanks people!
 

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Re: Silence - how to counter it? (screaming in frustration doesn't work)
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2011, 06:13:54 PM »
I mean, normal rune staff usage is for spells on your class list.  Use Magic Device would be to ignore that pesky little requirement.

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Re: Silence - how to counter it? (screaming in frustration doesn't work)
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2011, 06:37:55 PM »
Isn't there a spell that allows you to cast in Silence'd areas without problems? Craft Contingent Spell for 'trying to cast a Verbal spell in an area of Silence'.
There is a spell that does that, though I forget the name. CantripN suggested it in a thread of mine on choosing spells known for a sorcerer several months ago...
Whispercast is the name of the spell, though I don't know which book it is from. It's 2nd level, though.
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