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Need Assistance on Haunt Shift Abuse and Body Cost
« on: July 23, 2011, 07:00:22 PM »
Ok so I read up on the whole "make myself an indestructable body" stuff people have done with Haunt Shift.
I would like to do something similiar in a gestalt level 20 game.

So far here is what I have
Riverine Body = 92,300g

Medium Sized Mountain Plate (3,200g)
-Riverine Material (+25,000g)
-- +1 Proof Against Transmutation (36,000g)
-- +1 Gauntlet of Warning (4,000g)

-4 ten foot chains welded to the back of the shoulders. (120g /8lb)
-Riverine Material (+16,000g)

-Cloak attached to the spaulders of the armor (3sp / 2lbs)
-Riverine Material (+4,000g)

-Wheels affixed to the heels of the boots of the armor. (2g / 2lbs)
-Riverine Material (4,000g)

Permenancied Effects on Armor = 22,750g
Scroll of Permenancy x2 (20,250)
Invisibility (1,000xp)
Shrink Item (1,500xp)


Most of this is quite basic. I know I can do much better. I was debating on whether or not to make the statue itself Tiny Sized and then use Shrink Item on top of it. A PC who is less than 1 cm tall sounds rather amusing to me. Downside would obviously be getting around and possibly being stepped on. The bonus to hide/move silently would be funny though.

I would humbly ask assistance in figuring out the price for such an endevor as well as any other ways it could be improved upon.
« Last Edit: July 30, 2011, 06:16:02 PM by Eviltedzies »
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Re: Need Assistance on Haunt Shift Abuse and Body Cost
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2011, 07:48:35 PM »
You could make it from the same synthetic crystal as glowstones with hardness 60 and hp 60, Magic of Faerun p.169. No idea what the price is.

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Re: Need Assistance on Haunt Shift Abuse and Body Cost
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2011, 08:06:11 PM »
I like the idea, but the material is so vague as to the price of the crystal itself the only way I could price it would be as a mass of glowstones. To top it off it is in the artifact section which explains why it is so tough.
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Re: Need Assistance on Haunt Shift Abuse and Body Cost
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2011, 10:48:42 PM »
Matter Manipulation isn't random, so it can't be empowered.  However, since it's Instantaneous, it can be stacked indefinitely with repeated manifestations.
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Re: Need Assistance on Haunt Shift Abuse and Body Cost
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2011, 02:25:04 AM »
Pure Ore can be found in dragon #347.  Basically the paragon version of a material, one ounce added to an item made of the normal material version gets double hit points and hardness of the normal ore.  Not bad if you are talking pure Obdurium ore.

Oerthblood is a magical medal you can alloy with another material.  It gets 1.5 x hit points and twice the hardness.  Not sure if it works with pure ore ( Dragon #351).

There are also armor and weapon master crafting options in dragon #358 that maybe of help.

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Re: Need Assistance on Haunt Shift Abuse and Body Cost
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2011, 11:57:37 PM »
Riverine is impossible to damage outside of Disintegrate, rods of cancellation, and spheres of annihilation. If you've got Ray Deflection (or are a Master of Many Forms), and have the Initiate of Mystra feat and an Antimagic Field, or are an initiate of the sevenfold veil, the only thing that could possibly kill you is a sphere of annihilation.

Though anything that would suck your soul from your body would likely work as well.
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Re: Need Assistance on Haunt Shift Abuse and Body Cost
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2011, 05:19:51 PM »
Where is Riverine located source wise?

Edit: Ask the almighty google and thou shalt recieve an answer.
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Re: Need Assistance on Haunt Shift Abuse and Body Cost
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2011, 05:23:31 PM »
Where is Riverine located source wise?

Edit: Ask the almighty google and thou shalt recieve an answer.
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Re: Need Assistance on Haunt Shift Abuse and Body Cost
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2011, 05:29:16 PM »
Now the only question is by RAW it seems that an antimagic field would not affect this material.

But the flavor text of the material seems to inficate otherwise. Hmmm still a very very interested and much cheaper alternative than Obdurium.
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Re: Need Assistance on Haunt Shift Abuse and Body Cost
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2011, 05:35:02 PM »
Now the only question is by RAW it seems that an antimagic field would not affect this material.

But the flavor text of the material seems to inficate otherwise. Hmmm still a very very interested and much cheaper alternative than Obdurium.
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Re: Need Assistance on Haunt Shift Abuse and Body Cost
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2011, 05:42:08 PM »
Ahh how right you are. =)

I am thinking that since Riverine costs 2k gold per pound it would be cheaper to simply make my body a suit of mountain fullplate armor.

Now if I wanted to take advantage of the other abilities of animate item my body would look something like......

A mysterious figure clad in fullplate with a hooded cloak around him.
Strangely enough chains dangling from his sides and the heels of his boots are fitted with strange wheel-like devices.

The cloak would allow for close range Blind attempts, the chains would allow for grapple attempts, and the added wheels on the feet would allow for quicker movement.
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Re: Need Assistance on Haunt Shift Abuse and Body Cost
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2011, 05:57:52 PM »
So far I have.....

Medium Sized Mountain Plate (3,250g)
-Riverine material (+25,000g)

- 4 ten foot chains welded to back of the shoulders (120g / 8lb)
- Riverine material (+16,000g)

- Cloak attached to the spaulders of the armor (3sp / 2lb)
- Riverine material (+4,000g)

-Wheels affixed to the heels of the boots of the armor. (2g / 2lbs)
- Riverine materials (4,000g)

Total Body Cost: 52,252g 3sp
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Re: Need Assistance on Haunt Shift Abuse and Body Cost
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2011, 06:07:16 PM »
So far I have.....

Medium Sized Mountain Plate (3,250g)
-Riverine material (+25,000g)

- 4 ten foot chains welded to back of the shoulders (120g / 8lb)
- Riverine material (+16,000g)

- Cloak attached to the spaulders of the armor (3sp / 2lb)
- Riverine material (+4,000g)

-Wheels affixed to the heels of the boots of the armor. (2g / 2lbs)
- Riverine materials (4,000g)

Total Body Cost: 52,252g 3sp
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Re: Need Assistance on Haunt Shift Abuse and Body Cost
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2011, 06:18:35 PM »
They key my friend is a scroll of haunt shift and some holy/unholy arrows respectively. XD
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Re: Need Assistance on Haunt Shift Abuse and Body Cost
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2011, 06:57:13 PM »
Some shenanigans: be an actual possessed suit of armor, rather than a statue. Be riveted together, if your DM insists that each piece is a separate object (this will make you one giant piece of armor). For one, this makes you immune to sundering if you're worn by an animated undead (which should be mindless, and commanded not to resist the movements of the armor) or an inanimate corpse (if you go this route, you can magic it up with things like Continual Flame to mislead your opponents), though in this latter case it will probably be ruled that your body is not equipment and you can therefore be destroyed normally. If your DM ignores this stupidity and allows armor to be sundered, consider Aurorum as an alternative material if you have buddies who can reassemble you if you're ever destroyed. Hardness, Matter Manipulation, and Augment Object (the latter should be applied by making the armor a magic trap that casts that spell on itself each day) are all useful. Also consider carving Symbols onto the armor; I recommend Fear, Pain, and Insanity, but they're pretty much all good when combined with the Permanency spell.

Also, both ghosts and unbodied liches are good race choices; very difficult to destroy permanently, and all the shiny benefits of the incorporeal subtype (including the rules in Libris Mortis that let you give your body Concealment and have your body grant you Cover if you occupy its space, which come in handy if you need to manifest).
So you end up stuck in an endless loop, unable to act, forever.

In retrospect, much like Keanu Reeves.

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Re: Need Assistance on Haunt Shift Abuse and Body Cost
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2011, 07:05:37 PM »
Well since Riverine is effectively indestructable I don't need to worry about sundering or putting any hardness enhancing spells on it.
I do like the idea of putting a mindless undead inside it to mislead my opponent.
I completely forgot about permenancing runes onto the armor. =P
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Re: Need Assistance on Haunt Shift Abuse and Body Cost
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2011, 10:10:42 PM »
Would Proof against Transmutation armor enchant negate the Disintegration effect?

It seems the wording applies to the "wearer", but if the armor is my body it seems that I am no longer the "wearer".

Just an odd thing I noticed.
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Re: Need Assistance on Haunt Shift Abuse and Body Cost
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2011, 12:11:02 AM »
Have your armor wear armor?
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Re: Need Assistance on Haunt Shift Abuse and Body Cost
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2011, 04:21:19 PM »
You're wearing the armor...as your body.

I say it counts.
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Re: Need Assistance on Haunt Shift Abuse and Body Cost
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2011, 06:19:26 PM »
Ok so I have the rough outline for my body selected. Now I need to work on class. Since this game is a 20/20 gestalt game I decided to go for broke.

Race: Venerable Human
Template: Necropolitan (+0)

Side 1: Cleric 1/Archivist 8/Dweomerkeeper 10/Exemplar 1

Side 2: Wizard 5/Mindbender 1/Geometer 4/Incantatrix 10

Alternate Class Abilities
Spontaneous Divination

Domains
Spell & Magic

Feats
Flaws: Extend Spell, Persistant Spell

Otygh Hole: Iron Will

Human: Still Spell

Wizard: Improved Initiative

Archivist: Scribe Scroll

Incantatrix: Invisible Spell, Sculpt Spell, Repeat Spell, Deceptive Spell


1. Skill Focus: Spellcraft
3. Initiate of Mystra
6. Mindsight
9. Versitile Spellcaster
12. Divine Metamagic: Persistant Spell
13. Arcane Mastery
15. Extraordinary Concentration
18. Mobile Spellcasting

As with my body I would thoroughly appreciate some advice on the build.
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