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Psionic Archer build advice needed...
« on: July 11, 2011, 02:01:52 AM »
targeteer 2/ psi warrior 8/ slayer 10
targeteer 2/ ardent 10/ slayer 8
targeteer 2/ ardent 5/ psi weapons master 10/ ardent 6-8

race will be human if i go ardent because i will need more feats, or xeph or fire elf otherwise.

so far those are the builds that i am thinking about.  i like targeteer for the free exotic wp, and for the dex to damage ability.  any other suggestions are welcome, however before anyone says it, i am not really interested in soulbow at all.. i want him to be a manifester too. not a one trick pony. 

i am torn between ardent (for higher level powers, dominant ideal, tons of pp) and psi war (bonus feats, mantled variant, or soulbound weapon variant)... need help deciding.

if i do decide on psi wpns master, i will need a bow with a higher crit range than normal, if it exists. 

he will have a splitting, force deep crystal bow, for sure.  and i will grab psi shot, and grtr psi shot feats, along with the standard manyshot, grtr manyshot etc.

regardless of the build, i see him using a combo of manyshot, hustle+psionic meditation, grtr psi shot, and his deep crystal bow to do +6d6 to each of his (up to 4) arrows... every round.  when he can toss on splitting he will be a nightmare.

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Re: Psionic Archer build advice needed...
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2011, 02:07:44 AM »
Why two levels of Targeteer as opposed to one?

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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2011, 02:25:22 AM »
the bonus feat ... or maybe for the arrow storm ability.  im not married to it though.  what did you have in mind?

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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2011, 02:46:41 AM »
Here is a psionic ardent I made a while back. You might find some useful tricks in there. A couple I remember are:

1) You can use your psicrystal as a source of feats for Feat Leech.
2) A single level of ranger opens up using ranger wands, and gets you into slayer more easily.
3) If you can use the Getting Wired article, psionic tattoos can be awesome.
4) The Dissolving Weapon power is crazy good if your DM will let you apply it to 50 arrows at a time... which should be possible per the RAW.
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2011, 03:57:34 AM »
The soulbound weapon variant psywar can be amazing with its focused weapon. Grab that and an Ancestral Relic for two different (and totally awesome) bows. You basically get, what, 4/3rds your WBL in two weapons?

Grab some low-grade +2 equivalent arrows for whatever you need, and watch as the pain flies.
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2011, 04:18:09 PM »
The soulbound weapon variant psywar can be amazing with its focused weapon. Grab that and an Ancestral Relic for two different (and totally awesome) bows. You basically get, what, 4/3rds your WBL in two weapons?

Grab some low-grade +2 equivalent arrows for whatever you need, and watch as the pain flies.

Why Ancestral Relic? that feat is pretty terrible in most circumstances. It doesn't put you above WBL at all, You're paying full market price for that item and it takes the same amount of time (1 day per 1000gp) If you'd had a spellcaster make one for you.

On the archer note you may want to consider Zen Archery and wisdom synergy and drop dex for more pp/day (Zen Archery, possibly a Monk's Belt, a level of Shiba Protector for wis to hit/damage again). 2x Wis to hit would make things really easy to hit and with dissolving weapon you should already be doing a lot of damage. Also don't forget to buy a hank's bow and upgrade it.........If your DM will allow that kind of silliness.

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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2011, 05:52:58 PM »
The soulbound weapon variant psywar can be amazing with its focused weapon. Grab that and an Ancestral Relic for two different (and totally awesome) bows. You basically get, what, 4/3rds your WBL in two weapons?

Grab some low-grade +2 equivalent arrows for whatever you need, and watch as the pain flies.

Why Ancestral Relic? that feat is pretty terrible in most circumstances. It doesn't put you above WBL at all, You're paying full market price for that item and it takes the same amount of time (1 day per 1000gp) If you'd had a spellcaster make one for you.

Ancestral Relic takes "sold" items at 100% value, rather than the 50% you normally get for selling. In addition to that, you can sacrifice normally unmovable objects to it, such as a giant set of platinum doors to the villain's lair. You just need to be able to get a consecrate spell, and spend the required time.

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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2011, 06:00:45 PM »
Yup. You can sacrifice just about anything and still be good. Except babies. ...you need to be Exalted for that.
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2011, 10:46:33 PM »
Here is a psionic ardent I made a while back. You might find some useful tricks in there. A couple I remember are:

1) You can use your psicrystal as a source of feats for Feat Leech.
2) A single level of ranger opens up using ranger wands, and gets you into slayer more easily.
3) If you can use the Getting Wired article, psionic tattoos can be awesome.
4) The Dissolving Weapon power is crazy good if your DM will let you apply it to 50 arrows at a time... which should be possible per the RAW.

re: getting wired, that stuff is 3.0, is it able to be used in 3.5 without a bunch of rules conversions?

re: dissolving weapon... nice stuff.  is that considered cheese, or is it the consensus that it would work as ammunition?

The soulbound weapon variant psywar can be amazing with its focused weapon. Grab that and an Ancestral Relic for two different (and totally awesome) bows. You basically get, what, 4/3rds your WBL in two weapons?

re: soulbound weapon... can you choose any type of weapon material to become soulbound?  because i really want deep crystal.  it appears that you much choose a standard material type. 

can you enchant it as a normal weapon as well as it getting its soulbound bonuses? if not, its going to be quite the pp drain on a poor psywar.  i plan on splitting, force which is +5... so that is 20 pp over and over... not cool.

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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2011, 11:20:06 PM »
The soulbound weapon variant psywar can be amazing with its focused weapon. Grab that and an Ancestral Relic for two different (and totally awesome) bows. You basically get, what, 4/3rds your WBL in two weapons?

re: soulbound weapon... can you choose any type of weapon material to become soulbound?  because i really want deep crystal.  it appears that you much choose a standard material type. 

can you enchant it as a normal weapon as well as it getting its soulbound bonuses? if not, its going to be quite the pp drain on a poor psywar.  i plan on splitting, force which is +5... so that is 20 pp over and over... not cool.
It has to be of a standard material type, though I doubt many DMs would mind if you bought a customized MW weapon and then summoned it as your soulbound weapon.

As far as the cost goes, yes it can be a bit expensive if you're constantly pushing for maximum augmentation, but note that at 20th you get a +5 weapon for 1 pp. I just buy a cheaper weapon for general use, then pull out the soulbound weapon for encounters when I have to have *exactly* the right tool for the job.

Why waste thousands of gold on the ghost touch property if you aren't fighting ghosts in 95% of your battles? Why bother with a bane (dragon) weapon if you're not constantly fighting dragons? And what if you're fighting a hydra? Improved Sunder sucks, so summon yourself a sundering weapon.

And remember, you don't have to max-augment every time. If you can pull in a weapon specially-crafted for each fight, you probably won't need the whole shebang outside of REALLY tough fights, so a +3 enhancement/+3 equivalent weapon might be all you need, since it's exactly what you need for the job at hand.

But anyway, use it as a custom weapon when you need it (and never forget the morphing property, just in case), and your regular weapon the rest of the time.
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2011, 11:34:57 PM »
re: getting wired, that stuff is 3.0, is it able to be used in 3.5 without a bunch of rules conversions?
Bacris did the 3.5 conversion a long time ago. I copied his work into a handbook here.

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re: dissolving weapon... nice stuff.  is that considered cheese, or is it the consensus that it would work as ammunition?
I'd say both. :P
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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2011, 12:27:07 AM »
im leaning towards a human targeteer1 /ranger1 /ardent10 /slayer8 with ancestral relic because i really am fearing about the lack of pp for a psywar build.  what mantles do you suggest?

psi weapons master is basically out... can anyone think of a good build for that feat hog prc?

also, is there a way to psionically imbue your arrows (like an arcane archer), or like the smiting spell feat?


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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2011, 01:41:28 AM »
im leaning towards a human targeteer1 /ranger1 /ardent10 /slayer8 with ancestral relic because i really am fearing about the lack of pp for a psywar build.  what mantles do you suggest?

psi weapons master is basically out... can anyone think of a good build for that feat hog prc?

also, is there a way to psionically imbue your arrows (like an arcane archer), or like the smiting spell feat?


Figure out how to add Power Storing to a bow (or ammunition)...
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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2011, 01:18:58 PM »
Figure out how to add Power Storing to a bow (or ammunition)...

hey.... power storing doesnt definitively say that it cannot be put on a bow/ammunition... unless im missing something.

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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2011, 01:20:15 PM »
Figure out how to add Power Storing to a bow (or ammunition)...

hey.... power storing doesnt definitively say that it cannot be put on a bow/ammunition... unless im missing something.
It's only listed in the melee table, not the ranged one.
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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2011, 01:33:12 PM »
can morphing turn a melee weapon into a ranged one? It says turns into a weapon of the same type ( two handed etc.) A morphing greatsword could turn into a bow? maybe?

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« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2011, 03:16:26 PM »
Here is a psionic ardent I made a while back.

i see in your build you have the precision ability for your bow and then you list it as giving the precise shot feat... is that the way that it really works or was that just a liberal reading?  i need moar free feats!

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« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2011, 03:45:03 PM »
Here is a psionic ardent I made a while back.

i see in your build you have the precision ability for your bow and then you list it as giving the precise shot feat... is that the way that it really works or was that just a liberal reading?  i need moar free feats!
You'll have to look at the wording in the MiC. I don't remember. For my purposes, I think it amounted to the same thing, though.
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« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2011, 06:48:51 PM »
Figure out how to add Power Storing to a bow (or ammunition)...

hey.... power storing doesnt definitively say that it cannot be put on a bow/ammunition... unless im missing something.
It's only listed in the melee table, not the ranged one.
That just means they don't show up randomly. There are no ranged restrictions whatsoever.

Also, depending on what level you start at, this does pretty good at range. Sure it's not BUILT as a ranged fighter, but it does remarkably well, considering everything you can do with it. Change the race to neraph and you've got arrow demons available, and you can use ranged attacks as touch attacks 1/enemy/battle (as well as charges in the same way).

Also, if your DM disallows psywar research shenanigans, take the mantled warrior (nature mantle) ACF.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2011, 06:51:10 PM by Lycanthromancer »
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