Shifter Using Shifter Feats

[Lycanthromancer]

The Aptitude weapon special ability is AMAZING with the shifter feats.

I am confused by this.

I think he's saying Aptitude would make something like Longtooth Elite apply to the Aptitude weapon as well.

My brain just exploded.

Longtooth Elite + Wounding + Spirited Charge Lance Attack = ?

[snakeman830]

The Aptitude weapon special ability is AMAZING with the shifter feats.

I am confused by this.

I think he's saying Aptitude would make something like Longtooth Elite apply to the Aptitude weapon as well.

My brain just exploded.

Longtooth Elite + Wounding + Spirited Charge Lance Attack = ?

triple lace damage + 2 Con damage.  Sadly "damage" really only refers to "hit point damage", apparently

[Lycanthromancer]

The Aptitude weapon special ability is AMAZING with the shifter feats.

I am confused by this.

I think he's saying Aptitude would make something like Longtooth Elite apply to the Aptitude weapon as well.

My brain just exploded.

Longtooth Elite + Wounding + Spirited Charge Lance Attack = ?

triple lace damage + 2 Con damage.  Sadly "damage" really only refers to "hit point damage", apparently

Then toss it on an aptitude grinding harpoon.

[zook1shoe]

Lightning Maces and Spinning Halberd have been been my favorite aptitude feats.

[wO-_-OdrOw]

Whoooooa! Build incoming.....

Wait, what means do I have for gaining two claws outside of a 0 BAB class feature or LA race or template? Im going to be Long Tooth and Tail Slap from DMgz 328, so I would still want some c14wz0rZ for flavor.

[zook1shoe]

Fiendish graft (Fiend Folio), undead graft (Libris Mortis), Beast Claws (Savage Species) are the ones I can think of offhand.

[Surreal]

Okay, so snapshot at 6 is:

4 levels of x with full bab
1 warshaper
1 weretouched

Now, x with full bab = ?

Ranger 1-2, Wolf Totem Barb 2, Warblade 1-4? What were you saying about Dream Sight Ranger combo?

A little late to the game...

Barbarian with rage plus that feat that feat that bumps up your damage dice while raging/shifting, and the ever popular easy pounce. Add a touch of Warblade, maybe some Totemist, BCM, Warshaper, and you're good to go.

[wO-_-OdrOw]

Avoiding Barbarian, despite the Pounce, Improved Trip, Whirling Frenzy, and feat combo stuff you're talking about goodness of Barbarian 1-2. That one is my bad, I also listed Barbarian as an option. But I'm avoiding it. 

[zook1shoe]

Axespike, Eagle's Fury, and Snap Kick give you an extra attack with a full attack

[wO-_-OdrOw]

Is there a list somewhere of feats that work with weapon aptitude?

Is there an alternate way to increase number of shifts per day? I might just pitch a homebrew feat.

Warblade 1
Saurian Shifter, Tail Slap Trait
Flaw: Improved Natural Attack
Flaw: Extra Trait, Longtooth
1: Shifter Multiattack

This looks like its gonna be a feat intensive build going forward...

[zook1shoe]

no.... but i need to make my own handbook... was thinking about that one for awhile

[skydragonknight]

A two-level psiwar dip is probably in order for the feats + Expansion, even if it pushes back Warshaper 1 level.

[wO-_-OdrOw]

SKD, you're probably right. I was so tempted to do Warrior, but... alas, there is just no avoiding it. PsiWar it is! What weapon feats should I go for using Weapon Aptitude? Longtooth Elite, but what else? Also, does Imp Natural Attack improve weapon damages also. Like if I used a martial weapon?

[DrPhro]

A two level dip into totemist can take you pretty far, and landshark boots are a beautiful thing to start out with. Unfortunately it doesn't have full bab as is the case with a lot of these classes.

As far as getting more shifts per day, really the only thing you can do is get more shifter feats, unfortunately even the decent ones run out pretty quickly. Without creating a feat the only reasonable ways I know would be bloodclaw master and taking the next three lvls of weretouched master.

Other good options are the beast strike feat which adds your natural attack damage to unarmed strikes and the item Braid of Dire Shifting which gives you enlarge person effects while shifting (150 gp expendable item).

[wO-_-OdrOw]

Sorry, I was unclear. I mean does weapon aptitude make Imp NA work on martial weapons?

[zook1shoe]

Sorry, I was unclear. I mean does weapon aptitude make Imp NA work on martial weapons?

Yes, it does.

Basically it works any feat you choose a specific weapon for (like weapon focus), or specifies a particular weapon in the feat (like most Weapon Style feats or Improved Unarmed Strike).

But it does not apply to feats that apply to a specific type of weapon (like Slashing Flurry)

[EjoThims]

Sorry, I was unclear. I mean does weapon aptitude make Imp NA work on martial weapons?

Yes, it does.

Basically it works any feat you choose a specific weapon for (like weapon focus), or specifies a particular weapon in the feat (like most Weapon Style feats or Improved Unarmed Strike).

Which is why it does not work for making INA affect manufactured weapons. INA affects your natural attacks, not natural weapons. A small and confusing difference, but an important one when you're lawyering the rules (as you have to to run Aptitude that way). Otherwise INA would not work on slams, which are a natural attack, but as 'slam' is not 'physically a part of a creature' cannot be a natural weapon.

Shifter Traits technically also reference your 'bite/claw/gore' attack and would thusly also not be able to be moved to a weapon (manufactured or natural) with aptitude.

Sorry I wasn't clear on explaining that earlier; I figured someone else would step in once I mentioned how the attempt to combine the two had made my brain explode. I have a long history of being annoyed with people that try to argue the very poor RaW of Aptitude is also the RaI... 

[snakeman830]

Of course the RAW and RAI are not the same.  The fact remains that RAW, Aptitude can work with the Longtooth Elite and similar feats and Improved Natural Attack just fine.  Aptitude does not call out manufactured weapons anywhere in its description.

[zook1shoe]

Of course the RAW and RAI are not the same.  The fact remains that RAW, Aptitude can work with the Longtooth Elite and similar feats and Improved Natural Attack just fine.  Aptitude does not call out manufactured weapons anywhere in its description.

Agreed.

[EjoThims]

Aptitude does not call out manufactured weapons anywhere in its description.