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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2011, 04:30:24 PM »
Wouldn't a dragonwrought kobold be pretty high up there, if the feats were spent on the epic level Great X ones?

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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2011, 08:18:52 PM »
DwKobold gets the Epics on 3, 6, 9, 12, 15 and 18.
So that's just a +6. Not Bad.

Doing a Dark Chaos Feat Shuffle would work with DWK and the Epic feat.
Argument about when DCFS is available, preferably do it yourself.
Then it's just a formula of how much exp is expended vs how many feat slots.
Each DCFS generates a +1 to a stat.
Pretty good numbers, right there.


PAO deserves a bigger look.
Put an 18 in Wis and Cha with racial adjustments, and then find the best PAO form.
DWK is restricted to True Dragons of course.

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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2011, 08:42:26 PM »
A druid with a druid cohort, each ritualistically sacrificing themselves before the other of the pair casts Reincarnate.

Young Adult to Venerable = +3 to all mental stats.
Reincarnate to Young Adult body to reset physical stats

Young Adult to Venerable = +3 to all mental stats.
Reincarnate to Young Adult body to reset physical stats

Young Adult to Venerable = +3 to all mental stats.
Reincarnate to Young Adult body to reset physical stats

Young Adult to Venerable = +3 to all mental stats.
Reincarnate to Young Adult body to reset physical stats

Young Adult to Venerable = +3 to all mental stats.
Reincarnate to Young Adult body to reset physical stats

Young Adult to Venerable = +3 to all mental stats.
Reincarnate to Young Adult body to reset physical stats

etc.

Also, Maximized + Empowered Awaken spell. 18+1.5*3d6
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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2011, 07:00:19 PM »
Oh that's just silly ... I like it.


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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2011, 08:56:05 PM »
lol ok :)

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« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2011, 09:13:59 PM »
Planar bubble + far planes for free aging? Granted that would be boring as hell for the character, but they can suffer for our amusement.
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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2011, 09:51:51 PM »
IIRC the BoVD has a version of curse(or some similar core cleric spell) that makes the target age one category...

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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2011, 10:08:57 PM »
A druid with a druid cohort, each ritualistically sacrificing themselves before the other of the pair casts Reincarnate.
Same source doesn't stack.
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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2011, 03:29:38 AM »
 :twitch I found a way to get 16 'belts of Str +6 to stack. This works on many similar items.

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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2011, 04:35:47 AM »
:twitch I found a way to get 16 'belts of Str +6 to stack. This works on many similar items.
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« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2011, 04:52:45 PM »
more like rediscovered ;)

i've almost no experience with an artificer. so to reread that infusion was huge!

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« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2011, 06:52:10 PM »
:twitch I found a way to get 16 'belts of Str +6 to stack. This works on many similar items.

So where'd you come up with enough waists to wear them all?  Did you turn yourself into some kind of reverse hydra or something?
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« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2011, 07:37:38 PM »
Make a really expensive one. Or be a mob ;)

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« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2011, 10:58:38 PM »
:twitch I found a way to get 16 'belts of Str +6 to stack. This works on many similar items.

Yeah. That infusion is known. The trick would be to get the duration to 24 hours, but with enough schemas of Metamagic Item and the Persistent Spell feat, should be quite doable.
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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2011, 11:46:39 PM »
Is it just a single bonus, or all the bonuses on an item?

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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2011, 01:52:53 PM »
I got a DWK to 52 charisma here. IIRC it could have been 53, but that would be pointless so I saved on the build points. I think it could go 2 higher with that spell that gives a +8 enhancement bonus to charisma, but either I couldn't fit it, or it was a druid spell, or something like that. Obviously, with the help of an artificer it could go quite a bit higher.
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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2011, 12:06:45 AM »
Depends on what you define as "temporary" the spell power drain (Corrupt Spell from BoVD)can effectively double any stat, mental or not.

Base 18
Gray Elf +2
Elf Paragon Class +2
Venerable +3
Level Increments +5
Tome +5

Subtotal: 35 (+12 mod)

Victim
Base 18
Gray Elf +2
Elf Paragon Class +2
Venerable +3
Level Increments +5
Tome +5
Item +6

Victim Total: 41

Extended Powerdrain (Arcane Thesis) +41

Total: 76 (Mod +33)

Powerdrain last 10mins/lvl, though it can be argued that it lasts 20mins/lvl when extended. It give an enhancement bonus, so it won't stack with most mental boosting magic Items. The spell drains one wisdom point per casting, so have a cleric cast restoration on you daily. At 300 gp, it will take 120 days to rack up the expenses equivalent to a +6 magic item.

If you could find a victim with a high enough Intelligence(Ice assassin or Simulacrum yourself perhaps), you could twin this spell and absorb +88 for a total of 123 INT (modifier +55).

This is not including artificer infusions or greater caster level loops/boosting, as that go infinitely. As do alot of the other tricks show here.

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« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2011, 05:00:52 AM »
A druid with a druid cohort, each ritualistically sacrificing themselves before the other of the pair casts Reincarnate.
Same source doesn't stack.
But they do continue to accrue.
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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2011, 03:15:18 PM »
A druid with a druid cohort, each ritualistically sacrificing themselves before the other of the pair casts Reincarnate.
Same source doesn't stack.
But they do continue to accrue.
Not really. 
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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2011, 06:07:08 PM »
They're not bonuses, arguably. They're just modified upon reaching an age category, according to the PHB (they "go up or down", and are clearly cumulative in the table). This does indicate that Timeless Body actually does nothing, though.
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