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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer 26: Still better than CustServ
« Reply #780 on: August 01, 2011, 07:39:09 PM »
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer 26: Still better than CustServ
« Reply #781 on: August 01, 2011, 07:40:16 PM »
Q 231 DM is giving a 2nd level melee PC a free 1k item. What should they take? The obvious choice is the cloak of resistance, but what other options are there?
Make your armor +1? Healing Belt? Hand of the Mage? Dust of Dryness (surprise 100 gallons of water)?

There's also a vest of resistance, if you'd rather fill that body slot. 

A healing belt is only 750 gp.  Any chance you can split it between two items?  You could add on a least crystal of lifekeeping for 200 gp. 
That's a good question. It wasn't specified that the PC couldn't.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer 26: Still better than CustServ
« Reply #782 on: August 01, 2011, 07:55:07 PM »
Healing Belt?
This.
Healing belt. At lower levels, it's like having a cleric.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer 26: Still better than CustServ
« Reply #783 on: August 01, 2011, 07:55:38 PM »
Healing Belt?
This.
Healing belt. At lower levels, it's like having a cleric.
We have one of those, but it's not always enough.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer 26: Still better than CustServ
« Reply #784 on: August 01, 2011, 08:05:02 PM »
Q213 Does Blood Wind (SpC) allow you to Grapple, Trip, Disarm, Sunder, etc. at range? Why or why not?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer 26: Still better than CustServ
« Reply #785 on: August 01, 2011, 09:24:05 PM »
Q 232
Playing a telekinetic build (ghost, of course) in an improvised game I limited myself to trowing large greataxes. However by RAW a crossbow bolt can be used as a melee weapon, so I thought (and the other players agreed, but I didn't wanted to abuse it) that telekinesis could be used to trow Colossal +++ (I don't actually remember how many +) crossbow bolts and deal an even more ridiculous amount of damage. Plus magic ammunitions cost 1/50 as magic weapons, to add cheese.

Now the question is: does this trick work? And if it does, has anyone ever optimized it?
Also, how does the damage by size goes after 8d6? (Colossal++ anything that was 1d6 at normal size)

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer 26: Still better than CustServ
« Reply #786 on: August 01, 2011, 09:35:17 PM »
Q 232
Playing a telekinetic build (ghost, of course) in an improvised game I limited myself to trowing large greataxes. However by RAW a crossbow bolt can be used as a melee weapon, so I thought (and the other players agreed, but I didn't wanted to abuse it) that telekinesis could be used to trow Colossal +++ (I don't actually remember how many +) crossbow bolts and deal an even more ridiculous amount of damage. Plus magic ammunitions cost 1/50 as magic weapons, to add cheese.

Now the question is: does this trick work? And if it does, has anyone ever optimized it?
Also, how does the damage by size goes after 8d6? (Colossal++ anything that was 1d6 at normal size)
There is a table that goes up to 24d6 on page 43 of Savage species.
It goes 8d6 -> 12d6 -> 16d6 -> 24d6
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer 26: Still better than CustServ
« Reply #787 on: August 01, 2011, 10:01:30 PM »
Q 232 Now the question is: does this trick work? And if it does, has anyone ever optimized it?
There is a table that goes up to 24d6 on page 43 of Savage species.

After 3 dice, the pattern seems to be double the damage of a weapon two size categories smaller. 

If you don't want to keep replacing ammunition, you can use a mixture of colossal++ mithral annulats (8d6 damage, 16 pounds) and colossal+++ mithral annulats (12d6 damage, 32 pounds).  That can get you 92d6 damage on a violent thrust at caster level 9. 

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer 26: Still better than CustServ
« Reply #788 on: August 01, 2011, 10:32:02 PM »
Maat_Mons ninja'd me, but I know I can't go ahead and cancel this textwall. My heart is not strong enough to kill this baby. :lmao

Ok I think a regular pattern can be guessed from that table (and the one on DMG too).

Assuming fifth increase of a 1d12 weapon is a typo (10d6 instead of 12d6), starting from 2d6 it goes like this:

Damage(0)= 2d6; dmg(1)=3d6; dmg(2)=4d6; dmg(3)=6d6...

Also assuming that Xd6/2 is equal to (X/2)d6 and different from Xd3

The succession is the sequent:

Damage(n)= 1d6 + [(Damage(n-1))/2] + [(Damage(n-2))/2]...  + [(Damage(n-n) #or Damage(0)# /2]

Or, to put this EXTREMELY easier, start from 2d6->3d6 and double the number of d6 every two size increases. That's an approximation of multiplying by the square root of two every size increase, but the rounding prevents from making a formula from this consideration. Not really, but that would be a real mess (yeah... I'll probably won't sleep until I write it down on paper, I know...).

I'm sorry about the confusing parentheses. #text# is to separate the comment, obvious as it is, from the formula. Also[ x] is the integer part function.
This seems to work also on multiple d8, but there is only one given sample on the tables, as generally damage tends to be expressed in terms of d6.


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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer 26: Still better than CustServ
« Reply #789 on: August 01, 2011, 10:45:57 PM »
Q233  Are you considered your own ally for purposes of the White Raven stance Leading the Charge?  What about the WR strike Leading the Attack?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer 26: Still better than CustServ
« Reply #790 on: August 01, 2011, 11:02:59 PM »
Q 232 Now the question is: does this trick work? And if it does, has anyone ever optimized it?
There is a table that goes up to 24d6 on page 43 of Savage species.

After 3 dice, the pattern seems to be double the damage of a weapon two size categories smaller. 

If you don't want to keep replacing ammunition, you can use a mixture of colossal++ mithral annulats (8d6 damage, 16 pounds) and colossal+++ mithral annulats (12d6 damage, 32 pounds).  That can get you 92d6 damage on a violent thrust at caster level 9. 
How is their efficiency relative to sianghams?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer 26: Still better than CustServ
« Reply #791 on: August 01, 2011, 11:22:24 PM »
After 3 dice, the pattern seems to be double the damage of a weapon two size categories smaller.  

If you don't want to keep replacing ammunition, you can use a mixture of colossal++ mithral annulats (8d6 damage, 16 pounds) and colossal+++ mithral annulats (12d6 damage, 32 pounds).  That can get you 92d6 damage on a violent thrust at caster level 9.  
How is their efficiency relative to sianghams?

Oh my god, the annulats are broken...

Well, their efficiency relative to sianghams is... they weight half as much. But they cost ten times as much.
However I can see special materials in telekinesis optimization, so after all they're even cheaper.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer 26: Still better than CustServ
« Reply #792 on: August 02, 2011, 01:01:32 AM »
Q233  Are you considered your own ally for purposes of the White Raven stance Leading the Charge?  What about the WR strike Leading the Attack?

A233: Maybe. Ask your DM if these apply.


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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer 26: Still better than CustServ
« Reply #793 on: August 02, 2011, 04:45:43 AM »
Q 234 Where's the rule that states that if you give a creature full HP instead of the half HP progression, that it increases their CR by +1?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer 26: Still better than CustServ
« Reply #794 on: August 02, 2011, 02:42:34 PM »
Q235 I have a consolidated list of lowest level access "bargain" spells for artificers, pulling from a large number of sources, and online handbooks. Is there anyone who wants a copy? Or should I maybe put it in its own topic?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer 26: Still better than CustServ
« Reply #795 on: August 02, 2011, 02:55:46 PM »
Q235 I have a consolidated list of lowest level access "bargain" spells for artificers, pulling from a large number of sources, and online handbooks. Is there anyone who wants a copy? Or should I maybe put it in its own topic?

I'd love to see it in its own topic, but I'd also welcome a copy. There's an artificer in the party of one game I'm playing, and I know he'd love it (he's a more than competent optimizer - that's how I know he'll want your list!).

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« Reply #796 on: August 02, 2011, 03:28:35 PM »
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« Reply #797 on: August 02, 2011, 05:31:45 PM »
Q 236: Could I circumvent 2 racial HD aquired via multiheaded template through dieing 2 times and being resurrected with "Raise Dead" twice? Then as I level up I would just take class levels instead.

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« Reply #798 on: August 02, 2011, 05:49:09 PM »
Q 236: Could I circumvent 2 racial HD aquired via multiheaded template through dieing 2 times and being resurrected with "Raise Dead" twice? Then as I level up I would just take class levels instead.
I remember either this or being Energy Drained and losing two levels from failing the Fort saves would work for things like that, yes. One of them specifically says you can choose whether to retake the same levels, choose which ones you lose, etc.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer 26: Still better than CustServ
« Reply #799 on: August 02, 2011, 07:28:00 PM »
Q 237
Part 1. Isn't the Lords of Madness Beholder Mage considered the update for the Monsters of Faerun Beholder Mage?
Part 2. Does the fact the Lords of Madness Beholder Mage specifies True Beholder invalidate player use via Polymorph Any Object trickery?
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