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GawainBS

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Atavist
« on: June 22, 2011, 07:43:30 PM »
I've read several times that this is a "great PrC for a Soulknife." Now, all weakness of the Soulknife apart, why is this so? Because it enhances both Mindblade & Unarmed damage? :eh
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Re: Atavist
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2011, 07:57:52 PM »
It doesn't actually enhance the Mind Blade. It stacks for the +1/Four levels, but it specifically states that you don't get enhancements. It's a really bad PrC.
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Re: Atavist
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2011, 08:11:35 PM »
Quote from: GawainBS on June 22, 2011, 07:43:30 PM
I've read several times that this is a "great PrC for a Soulknife." Now, all weakness of the Soulknife apart, why is this so? Because it enhances both Mindblade & Unarmed damage? :eh
It's really bad because it's a Monk/Soulknife PrC.  Now, if you have a character that happens to be a Kalashtar and intend to take a Soulknife 2/Soulbow 1 dip anyway, then I can see a 2-level Atavist dip being useful.
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Re: Atavist
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2011, 08:12:06 PM »
You can expend your psionic focus to get an extra standard action.  That's about it.
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Re: Atavist
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2011, 08:23:17 PM »
And a " ... great PrC for a Soulknife ... " is/was a relative term  ;)


Tash on a PsyWar with the Soulknife mimic acf thingy, is strictly superior.
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Re: Atavist
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2011, 08:32:35 PM »
Quote from: Endarire on June 22, 2011, 08:12:06 PM
You can expend your psionic focus to get an extra standard action.  That's about it.
Given that we're talking about a Monk/Soulknife here, that extra standard action really isn't worth much.
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Re: Atavist
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2011, 04:54:25 AM »
Thanks, I thought I was going crazy.
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Re: Atavist
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2011, 05:53:08 AM »
I was doodling around with character concepts, and I remembered that Kalashtar were supposed to have GREAT monk/soulknife synergy options. They don't. They do have options, ranging from "neglible" to "actually worse than standard monk/soulknife", but it's all really terrible. 
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Re: Atavist
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2011, 02:21:29 PM »
About the best I've seen was soulknife/psywar/soulbow/atavist with manyshot and a psicrystal so he could crank out a bunch of shots in the first round of combat.
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Re: Atavist
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2011, 02:32:26 PM »
It makes decent filler for a monk/soulknife/soulbow build.
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Re: Atavist
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2011, 05:35:29 AM »
Quote from: Prime32 on June 26, 2011, 02:32:26 PM
It makes decent filler for a monk/soulknife/soulbow build.

And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is how you do "damning with faint praise". Take notes, it will be on the test.
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Re: Atavist
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2011, 07:43:34 AM »
Quote from: rasmuswagner on June 27, 2011, 05:35:29 AM
Quote from: Prime32 on June 26, 2011, 02:32:26 PM
It makes decent filler for a monk/soulknife/soulbow build.

And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is how you do "damning with faint praise". Take notes, it will be on the test.
I lol'd.

To be fair, I've heard that a Soulknife 2/Soulbow 1 dip has merits, and following that with an Atavist 2 dip isn't terrible if your party needs a little extra scouting power.  If you use the DSP rules allowing +1 manifesting classes to advance mindblades in addition to manifesting, then you can top it off with Slayer and wind up with an interesting kind of Psywar build.
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Re: Atavist
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2011, 05:43:52 PM »
Lol +1
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Re: Atavist
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2011, 08:54:00 PM »
Monastic Training, Tashalatora and Flowing blade feats does 1000 better than Atavist and since these are available Monk feats at first two leves you only need to spend Flowing blade as Soulknife 3 feat on and advance Soulknife to get AC and speed bonus and (greater) flurry with the Mindblade, someting like this (not optimized):

Monk 3 / Soulknife 8 / Kensai 4 / Someclass 5

Now, you could go Soulbow build and point monastic training and tashalatora to soulbow:

Human or Lesser Assimar
Monk 3 / Soulknife 3/ Ranger 2 / Soulbow 1 / Kensai 3 / Shiba Protector 1 / Soulbow +7


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Re: Atavist
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2011, 06:02:50 AM »
Anf Flowing Blade was which feat?
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Re: Atavist
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2011, 06:55:47 AM »
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Flowing Blade [General]

Your mind blade is an extension of your body and soul, and you wield it with the same grace as your foot or fist.

Prerequisite: Ability to generate a mind blade, Weapon Focus (mind blade), flurry of blows class feature.

Benefit: You can treat your mind blade as a special monk weapon so that you can perform a flurry of blows with it.

Special: A kalashtar or Inspired monk can select this as a bonus feat at 2nd or 6th level, in addition to the normal options available at those levels. They must still meet all prerequisites for the feat.
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Re: Atavist
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2011, 08:19:58 AM »
Cool. And the source? Thanks!
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Re: Atavist
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2011, 09:10:48 AM »
its an eberron book, i forgot which, its also on a web article on wotc.  google it.. comes right up.
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Re: Atavist
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2011, 09:42:00 AM »
Thanks, found the article.
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