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Hi, I'd like some help in figuring out the "3rd level and under" spells that cause the "Flat Footed" Condition, in Pathfinder, with unupdated 3.5 and unupdated 3.0 stuff allowed -- but where Pathfinder ALWAYS overrides if Pathfinder has the same thing somewhere.  As best as I can tell, Pathfinder nerfed Grease & Glitterdust, so they no longer guarantee it as much.  What alternatives are there which might work better?  If it matters, I'm trying to guarantee Iajutsu damage with a Factotum who has a Quickrazor.  Thanks!
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Well, theres always Vanish but only because you'd be breaking that invisibility anyway.
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Distract Assailant(?) is a 1st level Sorc/Wiz Enchantment spell in the Spell Compendium that causes flat-footedness in a single target on a failed save. Swift action/1 rnd duration. Every Beguiler takes this spell since there's nothing better for their first Advanced Learning and it synergizes with their Cloaked Casting ability.
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The following arcane spells are Core in PF and make a target lose their Dex bonus to AC: Grease, Sleep, Color Spray, Vanish, Blindness, Sound Burst, Glitterdust, Invisibility, Ghoul Touch, Pyrotechnics, Hold Person, Blacklight, Invisibility Sphere, Halt Undead (where applicable), Deep Slumber, Fear (if target is cornered).

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The following arcane spells are Core in PF and make a target lose their Dex bonus to AC: Grease, Sleep, Color Spray, Vanish, Blindness, Sound Burst, Glitterdust, Invisibility, Ghoul Touch, Pyrotechnics, Hold Person, Blacklight, Invisibility Sphere, Halt Undead (where applicable), Deep Slumber, Fear (if target is cornered).

Remember, I don't need 'enemy loses dex to AC', I specifically need 'flat footed vs the factotum', whether the factotum casts it or the caster backing him up casts it.
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