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Re: Fun Finds 2: (aka Tidbits Repository)
« Reply #300 on: June 29, 2011, 12:16:27 PM »
Okay. Take an artificer with the class ability that lets you drain XP from magic items.

Toss Ancestral Relic onto him.

Sacrifice mundane crap to it (like adamantine doors, evil temples, and other stuff that's easy to find, hard to haul away, but really, really expensive).

Then suck the XP right out before refilling the relic and doing it again.

Also lets you change your relic abilities at will!

"After one day, the item is destroyed and the artificer adds the XP it took to create the item to his craft reserve."
That's what I was afraid of. It's not that the relic is destroyed that is the problem, the problem is that the Ancestral Relic was not created with any XP and thus none is added to your craft reserve.

Take Leadership to get a 11th level truenamer cohort, and Retain Essene any magic item, then the Truenamer uses Rebuild Item to restore the item as soon as your done, repeat for unlimited craft reserve.

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Re: Fun Finds 2: (aka Tidbits Repository)
« Reply #301 on: June 29, 2011, 03:07:50 PM »
Take Leadership to get a 11th level truenamer cohort, and Retain Essene any magic item, then the Truenamer uses Rebuild Item to restore the item as soon as your done, repeat for unlimited craft reserve.
Since it's restoring the item,though, Rebuild Item will just suck the XP out of your craft reserve.
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Re: Fun Finds 2: (aka Tidbits Repository)
« Reply #302 on: June 29, 2011, 04:37:35 PM »
RaI, perhaps. Raw, no.
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They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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Re: Fun Finds 2: (aka Tidbits Repository)
« Reply #303 on: June 29, 2011, 06:37:56 PM »
RaI, perhaps. Raw, no.

If you  break a magic wand in half, casting restore item on one half won't leave you with one and a half wands.  Same thing.
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Re: Fun Finds 2: (aka Tidbits Repository)
« Reply #304 on: June 29, 2011, 09:30:17 PM »
But if you snap a wand in half and repair it, you have one wand... assumingly with the same # of charges

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Re: Fun Finds 2: (aka Tidbits Repository)
« Reply #305 on: June 29, 2011, 10:58:22 PM »
One interpretation of the RAW is that using Rebuild Item on an item that has been destroyed by Retain Essence will result in a fully working item that has no XP used in its creation and can thus not be Retain Essence'd again.

The reason this interpretation is valid is that 'to restore' can mean 'to reconstruct' (and this definition is usually used for fully destroyed things), and 'to reconstruct' means 'to construct again'. Since there is no XP involved in this new construction process, Retain Essence can't get XP out of the item again.

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Re: Fun Finds 2: (aka Tidbits Repository)
« Reply #306 on: June 29, 2011, 11:10:14 PM »
At least you would have the item fully functional, but expended for Retain Essence purposes. You only need to sell the item to an non-artificer.

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Re: Fun Finds 2: (aka Tidbits Repository)
« Reply #307 on: June 29, 2011, 11:53:17 PM »
One interpretation of the RAW is that using Rebuild Item on an item that has been destroyed by Retain Essence will result in a fully working item that has no XP used in its creation and can thus not be Retain Essence'd again.

The reason this interpretation is valid is that 'to restore' can mean 'to reconstruct' (and this definition is usually used for fully destroyed things), and 'to reconstruct' means 'to construct again'. Since there is no XP involved in this new construction process, Retain Essence can't get XP out of the item again.
Seems like a reasonable enough interpretation.
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Re: Fun Finds 2: (aka Tidbits Repository)
« Reply #308 on: June 30, 2011, 12:42:25 AM »
The alternative is that the Truenamer loses that much XP.


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Re: Fun Finds 2: (aka Tidbits Repository)
« Reply #309 on: June 30, 2011, 02:54:41 AM »
One interpretation of the RAW is that using Rebuild Item on an item that has been destroyed by Retain Essence will result in a fully working item that has no XP used in its creation and can thus not be Retain Essence'd again.

The reason this interpretation is valid is that 'to restore' can mean 'to reconstruct' (and this definition is usually used for fully destroyed things), and 'to reconstruct' means 'to construct again'. Since there is no XP involved in this new construction process, Retain Essence can't get XP out of the item again.
Seems like a reasonable enough interpretation.

Agreed

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Re: Fun Finds 2: (aka Tidbits Repository)
« Reply #310 on: June 30, 2011, 10:37:57 AM »
And there's an idea for a game. The party is largely artificers and is trying to track down who keeps "cursing" magic items so they can't retain essence them. Something that's been going on for over a decade and is now appearing everywhere...
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Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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Re: Fun Finds 2: (aka Tidbits Repository)
« Reply #311 on: June 30, 2011, 07:45:06 PM »
And there's an idea for a game. The party is largely artificers and is trying to track down who keeps "cursing" magic items so they can't retain essence them. Something that's been going on for over a decade and is now appearing everywhere...
Perhaps they are government mercenaries/employees who are part of an effort to craft magic items for a war effort, gathering and purchasing magic items to drain XP for crafting... to give it that sense of 'urgency' perhaps. A lowly collection job turns into the tipping point that could win or lose the war, so it'd be rife with enemy-nation agents and others who want to see the PC's country crumble.
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Re: Fun Finds 2: (aka Tidbits Repository)
« Reply #312 on: June 30, 2011, 08:36:55 PM »
a way for a government to regulate its economy, by applying this "curse" seal to each item produced and/or sold in the kingdom. any item without a seal must be taken to the government to receive the seal (and "curse"), or else cannot be sold or bought.

that is their way to prevent others from corrupting their economy ;)

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Re: Fun Finds 2: (aka Tidbits Repository)
« Reply #313 on: June 30, 2011, 08:52:11 PM »
a way for a government to regulate its economy, by applying this "curse" seal to each item produced and/or sold in the kingdom. any item without a seal must be taken to the government to receive the seal (and "curse"), or else cannot be sold or bought.

that is their way to prevent others from corrupting their economy ;)
In my crazy Wish Economy setting, crafting magic items has to be approved by the government and each item must be personally attuned to one specific individual. Black markets DO exist, but they're heavily cracked down upon.

However, the main reason for the black markets is because the people who run them suspect that the government secretly watches them day and night.
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Re: Fun Finds 2: (aka Tidbits Repository)
« Reply #314 on: June 30, 2011, 08:56:47 PM »
there are always going to be black markets for things in demand.

i'd definitely crack down on this sort of creation abuse, as a government, since the tax is your primary source of income

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Re: Fun Finds 2: (aka Tidbits Repository)
« Reply #315 on: June 30, 2011, 09:16:16 PM »
I'd endorse it, since you could sell the item and receive taxes for it twice.
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A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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Re: Fun Finds 2: (aka Tidbits Repository)
« Reply #316 on: June 30, 2011, 09:52:49 PM »
But that is less likely, since the artificer rebuilding the item wants money, and will do it in their tower and not give the government money.

Like pot growers, growing in their basement. They aren't going to tell the government they are doing illegal activities ;)

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Re: Fun Finds 2: (aka Tidbits Repository)
« Reply #317 on: June 30, 2011, 10:05:42 PM »
If the government pays for it all...
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A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
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Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
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Re: Fun Finds 2: (aka Tidbits Repository)
« Reply #318 on: June 30, 2011, 11:47:58 PM »
However, the main reason for the black markets is because the people who run them suspect that the government secretly watches them day and night.
Well now they will really want to watch you! :)
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Re: Fun Finds 2: (aka Tidbits Repository)
« Reply #319 on: July 01, 2011, 01:58:55 AM »
Or watch specific artificers for their mob takeover of the black market of "Blood Wands" to fund their war with other artificer mobs  :P