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any ideas on how to turn into a Hagunemnon?
« on: May 09, 2011, 06:33:26 PM »
this fellow:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/hagunemnon.htm

my friend and i really only want it because we think it's the only way to get access to the Gravewyrm form (i REALLY want that breath weapon...):

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ei/20040109a


we thought we got close as soon as Lycanthromancer revealed the Phasm trick.  We get the protean's form, but we don't get the (ex) alternate form ability.

help?

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Re: any ideas on how to turn into a Hagunemnon?
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2011, 06:54:57 PM »
Get a caster level 41, use Reserves of Strength to amplify that to 44 and cast Shapechange.

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Re: any ideas on how to turn into a Hagunemnon?
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2011, 08:49:01 PM »
Wouldn't you still need 44 HD for that though?  I thought Shapechange still limited its form to the target's actual HD.
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Re: any ideas on how to turn into a Hagunemnon?
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2011, 08:51:38 PM »
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The assumed form cannot have more than your caster level in Hit Dice (to a maximum of 25 HD).

you dont need 44 hd

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Re: any ideas on how to turn into a Hagunemnon?
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2011, 09:01:42 PM »
Hmm...  I'd always thought the same HD limitation applied like for polymorph.  Interesting.
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Re: any ideas on how to turn into a Hagunemnon?
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2011, 09:04:34 PM »
Master Spellthief + UM build with Reserves of strength.
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Re: any ideas on how to turn into a Hagunemnon?
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2011, 09:32:56 PM »
Couldn't you go Divine Minion 1 / Wizard 1 / MoMF 3

... and like wait an extra minute or two ?
 ;) but you already knew that.

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Re: any ideas on how to turn into a Hagunemnon?
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2011, 01:01:00 PM »
Couldn't you go Divine Minion 1 / Wizard 1 / MoMF 3

... and like wait an extra minute or two ?
 ;) but you already knew that.


I thought these days we just go "Let's start the game" and "OK, my level 1 kobold* goes 'Pazuzu' three times" and wait like a minute.

* - Optional, but we all know it just *has* to be a kobold...

But yeah, Shapeshift doesn't work cos the spell itself have limit of HD25 creatures...

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Re: any ideas on how to turn into a Hagunemnon?
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2011, 01:21:55 PM »
But yeah, Shapeshift doesn't work cos the spell itself have limit of HD25 creatures...

Some read Reserves of Strength as completely removing the numerical caps on spells in addition to letting you boost your CL.

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Re: any ideas on how to turn into a Hagunemnon?
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2011, 02:13:52 PM »
Gate in the dragon you ultimately want then true mind switch?  Also, a ray focused incantrix can easily deal 15-20 negative levels to a bunch of targets.
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Re: any ideas on how to turn into a Hagunemnon?
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2011, 02:35:47 PM »
Couldn't you go Divine Minion 1 / Wizard 1 / MoMF 3

... and like wait an extra minute or two ?
 ;) but you already knew that.


I thought these days we just go "Let's start the game" and "OK, my level 1 kobold* goes 'Pazuzu' three times" and wait like a minute.

* - Optional, but we all know it just *has* to be a kobold...

But yeah, Shapeshift doesn't work cos the spell itself have limit of HD25 creatures...

-K
As pointed out, Reserves of Strength get rid of that pesky limitation.

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Re: any ideas on how to turn into a Hagunemnon?
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2011, 07:50:44 PM »
Oh right.  Reserves of Strength.  Forgot when I was looking at the "target HD" restriction on Polymorph and Shapeshift.  :blush

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Re: any ideas on how to turn into a Hagunemnon?
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2011, 08:41:59 PM »
Shapechange is silly like that. Leaving the HD limit out was one of its mistakes.

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Re: any ideas on how to turn into a Hagunemnon?
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2011, 08:48:11 PM »
I am not sure if I read my post differently than you do, but I did point out that it was one of the mistakes of the spell, not the only one.

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Re: any ideas on how to turn into a Hagunemnon?
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2011, 09:08:23 PM »
meh, just skip to the part where your dragonwrought kobald gets a breathweapon of choice.

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D20srd ::: Dragon Disciple (ya i know its ubber broken cheese wrought material  :rollseyes )


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Breath Weapon (Su)
At 3rd level, a dragon disciple gains a minor breath weapon. The type and shape depend on the dragon variety whose heritage he enjoys (see below). Regardless of the ancestor, the breath weapon deals 2d8 points of damage of the appropriate energy type.

At 7th level, the damage increases to 4d8, and when a disciple attains dragon apotheosis at 10th level it reaches its full power at 6d8. Regardless of its strength, the breath weapon can be used only once per day. Use all the rules for dragon breath weapons except as specified here.

The DC of the breath weapon is 10 + class level + Con modifier.

A line-shaped breath weapon is 5 feet high, 5 feet wide, and 60 feet long. A cone-shaped breath weapon is 30 feet long.

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Dragon Variety1   Breath Weapon
Other varieties of dragon disciple are possible, using other dragon varieties as ancestors.

your 8th lvl, you have the gravedragon as your ancestor and viola you have a 2d8 version of their 3d6 breath weapon...  four more wasted levels in DD and you have 4d8 upgrade.

add [prc whose name i forget, that advances class features past where they are supposed to go] and maybe some bloodlines to get more dice on your halitosis O' doom.

only real down side is the DC is low, but that can be worked with im sure...

add soul eater for energy drain touch and your granpappy would be proud of you for kickin his epic ass pre epic.
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Re: any ideas on how to turn into a Hagunemnon?
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2011, 09:21:17 PM »
this fellow:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/hagunemnon.htm

my friend and i really only want it because we think it's the only way to get access to the Gravewyrm form (i REALLY want that breath weapon...):

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ei/20040109a


we thought we got close as soon as Lycanthromancer revealed the Phasm trick.  We get the protean's form, but we don't get the (ex) alternate form ability.

help?
Come on, there are BETTER things to get from Hagunemnon form. Plus that Breat weapon (like all, I think) is a Su ability.

I made the near perfect combo once, but forgot it.

I think it's
Demilich magic immunity (Or the Living Vault's, which is actually better.)
Ex AMF 100ft
Umbral Blot's Vortex.
Something else to get fast perfect flight, probably just the "natural" flight of the Demilich
And something else, too :).

You can't do anything in that form other than fly about and touch things, and hope they fail their un-augmented saves, but... hey, nothing much can seriously hurt you, either.

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Re: any ideas on how to turn into a Hagunemnon?
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2011, 09:36:57 PM »
Gravedragon?

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Re: any ideas on how to turn into a Hagunemnon?
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2011, 10:25:54 PM »
gravewyrm what ever
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Re: any ideas on how to turn into a Hagunemnon?
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2011, 11:03:45 PM »
Still don't know what dragon you are talking about.

Corpse tearer linnorm? Shadow dragon?