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Re: Class suggestions for a martial god?
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2011, 05:37:35 PM »
I don't expect it to last very long at all, but I've been surprised before.

I acutally looked at Occult Slayer earlier today and found it...incredibly underwhelming.  Most of what it grants is out-done by Warforged Juggernaut and/or divinity.

Legacy Champion I will consider.  Any suggestions for the Legacy weapon, then?
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Re: Class suggestions for a martial god?
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2011, 05:42:15 PM »
I don't expect it to last very long at all, but I've been surprised before.

I acutally looked at Occult Slayer earlier today and found it...incredibly underwhelming.  Most of what it grants is out-done by Warforged Juggernaut and/or divinity.
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Though I know fuckall about the rules for D&D divine creatures, I imagine most things are out-done by divinity.   :)

How about a crazy monster race or template to fill up the rest of those levels?  You've got a pretty good chasis w/ the fighter-type classes.  I still think Binder or Incarnum could be handy, but the sheer power of your opponents may make it kind of useless ... I don't know.  Maybe some of that sneaky stuff they get would add to the utility. 

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Re: Class suggestions for a martial god?
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2011, 06:45:25 PM »
Occult Slayer's spell reflection and double damage to disrupt spellcasters is nice.  The requirements are crazy easy to meet, so no real loss.  Maybe you could advance it with Legacy Champion?

Did you consider a bloodline?

If you take 10 levels of War Hulk pre-epic, then can you take 20 more levels?  +60 STR is pretty nice after all.
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Re: Class suggestions for a martial god?
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2011, 06:57:57 PM »
War hulk is good in gestalt; otherwise, it's legacy champion to boost your BAB while granting you the Strength bonuses.

But really, using Polymorph is better to nab those bonus points in Strength.

Might I suggest egoist on one side for the buffing tastiness? Just say it's inherent spell-like abilities rather than psi, and you'll be fine.
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Re: Class suggestions for a martial god?
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2011, 06:58:28 PM »
If you take 10 levels of War Hulk pre-epic, then can you take 20 more levels?  +60 STR is pretty nice after all.
You can take it at epic levels even if you don't squeeze in 10 levels pre-epic. Your STR score would be lower, but nothing stops you from doing that.

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Re: Class suggestions for a martial god?
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2011, 07:09:56 PM »
This just in, the DM banned psonics.  No idea why.
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Re: Class suggestions for a martial god?
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2011, 07:10:09 PM »
Yeah, I knew you could take it in Epic if you wanted, but +60 STR >>> +40 STR obviously.  Just depends what else you have in mind.

Though I doubt Polymorph can come close to matching the STR score you can acheive if you really wanted to.  18 +5 Manual +10 Level Increases +20 War Hulk = 53

Consider if you took more than just 10 levels of War Hulk.  Even Draconic Polymorph might have a hard time beating that.
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« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2011, 07:29:57 PM »
Wow, this is just crazy.

Since you are avoiding spellcasting I second Factotum.  Take at least 8 or 11 levels. 
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Re: Class suggestions for a martial god?
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2011, 11:36:43 PM »
I acutally looked at Occult Slayer earlier today and found it...incredibly underwhelming.  Most of what it grants is out-done by Warforged Juggernaut and/or divinity.
Same, a lot of hype about it but it at best gives free action Mind Blank and +3 to saves. You have to add in Mageslayer to prevent spellcaster from casting defensivly then you still have to deal with 5ft steps, intimidate action teleportation, etc. So not worth it.

Paladin is likewise unusable (all variants require no neutral alignment components), unfortunately.  Right now I'm looking over Incarnate, Totemist, and Binder, though.  I figure something in there might be of intrest.

Other than Master of 9, are there any interesting PrC's that I should look at?  War Hulk and Hulking Hurler are tentative at best.
Crimson Scourge 8 gives immunity to nonlethal damage, combine with regeneration to become immune to most forms of damage.
Iaijitsu Master is another prime noncaster PrC. It gives charisma to initiative, at level five your iaijitsu strikes deal an extra charisma modifier per die in damage. A full 10 levels would even let you gain a free surprise round that expressly lets you make a single attack with a Kitana so long as you are in melee range.
And lastly. Warshaper. Helps to be Changling over Warforged but I'm sure it can be done some how, and probably in a way that gives Regeneration. Mindful the +5 feet of reach applies regardless of form you take meaning you can be Fine sized and not have to move onto another's square to attack. Would be hilarious to see something the size of a pen Dungeoncrashing Colossal creatures around (there is even a +25 divine ability you can take too).
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Re: Class suggestions for a martial god?
« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2011, 06:12:08 PM »
Yeah, I knew you could take it in Epic if you wanted, but +60 STR >>> +40 STR obviously.  Just depends what else you have in mind.

Though I doubt Polymorph can come close to matching the STR score you can acheive if you really wanted to.  18 +5 Manual +10 Level Increases +20 War Hulk = 53

Consider if you took more than just 10 levels of War Hulk.  Even Draconic Polymorph might have a hard time beating that.
Class abilities and magic items stack with Polymorph. If you gain +20 from your class, and have +5 via manuals, and +10 from level increases, then all of it stacks with buffs like Polymorph.
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Re: Class suggestions for a martial god?
« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2011, 06:18:41 PM »
Can you provide a quote for that? That is the way I run things, but I could use a reference for my DMs...

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Re: Class suggestions for a martial god?
« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2011, 06:28:55 PM »
For Polymorph subschool spells, at least, this is not the case.
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Re: Class suggestions for a martial god?
« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2011, 06:31:44 PM »
Can you provide a quote for that? That is the way I run things, but I could use a reference for my DMs...
Bonuses from different sources stack?

The level-up bonuses and the +20 from war hulk are class abilities, which you explicitly keep. The effects of magic items that aren't subsumed into your body (because you can't wear them in that form) are also on the table for you to keep.

From Alter Self:
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You keep all extraordinary special attacks and qualities derived from class levels, but you lose any from your normal form that are not derived from class levels.

Also from Alter Self:
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From those two quotes, you A.) keep any class-derived abilities (and since ability score adjustments due to level are from levels in classes), and B.) keep any magic items the new form can conceivably use. Since you don't even need a body to use tomes, you can keep 'em too.
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Re: Class suggestions for a martial god?
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2011, 06:33:59 PM »
for Alter Self, anyway.  Not the case for Polymorph (the subschool states that you lose class features and the spell doesn't disagree)
I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle.  The book doesn't even exist!

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Re: Class suggestions for a martial god?
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2011, 06:37:43 PM »
for Alter Self, anyway.  Not the case for Polymorph (the subschool states that you lose class features and the spell doesn't disagree)
Polymorph doesn't have the [polymorph] subschool.
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Re: Class suggestions for a martial god?
« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2011, 07:02:23 PM »
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Re: Class suggestions for a martial god?
« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2011, 07:04:48 PM »
Psychic Warriof r expansion?
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Re: Class suggestions for a martial god?
« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2011, 08:28:36 PM »
Level bumps to stats are not class features.  They are a feature of gaining HD.  It just so happens the preponderance of HD gained by PC's are class HD.  I've never played in any game where a DM let a polymorphed player keep physical stat bumps or increases from manuals / tomes.

Granted this is an ECL 40 Divine Rank game, so allowing that would be the least of the DM's worries probably.  But still... *shrug*
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Re: Class suggestions for a martial god?
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2011, 08:36:53 PM »
The bonuses given by the War Hulk are class features though.

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Re: Class suggestions for a martial god?
« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2011, 08:47:27 PM »
Yes, those would likely stick around.  Though some DM's won't let you qualify for that PrC in the first place unless you're large all the time.
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