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« on: April 26, 2011, 11:02:43 PM »
I am optimizing (not for uber-highend, just for funny huge effects on casting at lvl 8+) a wizard.
The Prestige Class I am basing my character on will be Metaphysical Spellshaper (Book of Erotic Fantasy).

So at first, it's gonna be a human (dunno a better class and the feat is nice) wizard (specialist evoker, didn't found anything useful to trade scribe scroll because I need the lvl5-feat). First five levels:

1   Specialist Evoker 1   Scribe Scroll, Bind Vestige, Envelope the Wall (+X adjustment)
2   Specialist Evoker 2   -
3   Specialist Evoker 3   Repeat Spell (+3 adjustment)
4   Specialist Evoker 4   -
5   Specialist Evoker 5   Maximize Spell (+3 adjustment)

This should be clear, Bind Vestige is for later Metaphysical Metamagic (ability damage for metamagic), Envelope the Wall and Maximize Spell is to qualify for Miser with Magic.
Repeat Spell and is very strong, so I take it with the free lvl3-feat.


6   Metaphysical Spellshaper 1   Metaphysical Metamagic, one free feat (could be Metamagic School Focus, Arcane Thesis or something else)
7   Metaphysical Spellshaper 2   Miser with Magic (+0 adjustment)
8   Metaphysical Spellshaper 3   Metamagic Reduction 1

now I start getting crappy:

9   Magical Trickster 1   Bonus Trick, Spontan Trick, Twin Spell (+4)
10   Magical Trickster 2   Irresistible Spell (+4 adjustment)
11   Magical Trickster 3   Bonus Trick, Meta 1/day for free, Tricky Magic

I actually loose a spell progression level at lvl9 (but i qualify easy for magical trickster) but I gain Bonus Skill Tricks, more uses for them and (much more important) a free Metamagic Feat. And the ability to use one Metamagic Feat per day for free (max. +4 adjustment).

Now the caster is kinda getting cool, he may take any spell (i.e. Cone of Cold), prepared with Miser with Magic and cast it. While casting, he adds Twin (+3), Repeat (+2), Maximize (+2) and the 1/day free Irresistible Spell to his Cone of Cold, taking 7 damage to any ability (f.e. Charisma). He deals now 11*6*2=144 damage, no save (or with errata it would be a DC +10 to half). Due to Binding, he heals one Charisma damage and on his next turn, another Twinned Maximized Irresistible Cone of Cold resolves. Also, due to Miser with Magic, he may do a Spellcraft Check (he got +2 synergie +14 ranks for a total w/o items of at least +19) with DC = 10+2*Spell Level = DC 20. So he REGAINS his prepared Cone of Cold, able to cast it again.

Only problems: I need high caster level for evocations and I could need some more Metamagic Reduction, Ability Healing and Metamagic Feats. Would be nice if anyone can help me with that.

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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2011, 11:07:33 PM »
If you want to bind Naberius for ability healing, you're going to need to actually dip Binder. Bind Vestige gives you his skills power, while the improved version gives you his silver tongue.

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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2011, 04:57:08 AM »
If you want to bind Naberius for ability healing, you're going to need to actually dip Binder. Bind Vestige gives you his skills power, while the improved version gives you his silver tongue.
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2011, 05:56:11 AM »
Strong heart vest soulmeld reduces 1 point from any ability damage you take.

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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2011, 06:10:06 AM »
Strong heart vest soulmeld reduces 1 point from any ability damage you take.
Plus more if you invest essentia in it.
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2011, 06:12:18 AM »
ok, so I'll go the following:


1   Specialist Evoker 1   Scribe Scroll, Envelope the Wall (+X adjustment), Fell Drain (+2)
2   Specialist Evoker 2   -
3   Specialist Evoker 3   Repeat Spell (+3 adjustment)
4   Specialist Evoker 4   -
5   Specialist Evoker 5   Maximize Spell (+3 adjustment)
6   Metaphysical Spellshaper 1   Metaphysical Metamagic, Arcane Thesis (Magic Missle)
7   Metaphysical Spellshaper 2   Miser with Magic (+0 adjustment)
8   Metaphysical Spellshaper 3   Metamagic Reduction 1
9   Demonbinder 1   Bind Naberius, Twin Spell (+4)
10   Magical Trickster 1   Bonus Trick, Spontan Trick
11   Magical Trickster 2   Irresistible Spell (+4 adjustment)
12   Magical Trickster 3   Bonus Trick, Meta 1/day for free, Tricky Magic, Quicken Spell (+4)

Ok, with this build I can take only 2 ability damage for a Quickened (via Magical Trickster) Maximized (+1) Twinned (+2) Repeated (+1) Fell Draining (+0) Magic Missle with Miser with Magic + the same not quickened, both in Level 4 Slots for only remaining +1 adjustment, what I take as ability damage. This results in 4 castings of Magic Missles IN A SINGLE STANDARD ACTION, for a total of 4 negative levels per target. Next round the same 4 negative levels come again through Repeat Spell, then I may still cast the same thing again for 4 ability damage to another ability, for a total in 2 rounds of 12 negative levels (and some minor force damage). So I may kill everything not immune to negative levels at level 12 in 2 turns, regardless of their HP. Even strong enemies (HD 14) would still be reduced to level 2 and be injured by the 12 maximized Magic Missles.

What PCs would be effective after level 12?

@DrPhro: yeah, but how can I get this feature without taking 14 levels in Incarnate? (I am not really used to Magic of Incarnum)

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2011, 06:25:06 AM »
When you say "Demonbinder", you mean "Binder".

14 levels in Incarnate are unnecessary to shape the Strongheart Vest soulmeld.

Edit: Also, you should use Split Ray.
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2011, 09:24:20 AM »
all you need is the shape soulmeld: strongheart vest feat.  and youre all set.  no need to make any level dips.

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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2011, 10:01:10 AM »
Since you're going with Human, go with Azurin. It'll give you another point of Essentia, meaning you can ignore 2 points of ability damage at a time. Magical Trickster is cute, but you can get better things (or even the same things, and more...) without losing casting. Look at Incantatrix, War Mage (the PrC) and others. There's a handbook for Metamagic users out there.

If you want to play a blaster, though, you'll need a way to ignore Shield if focusing on Magic Missile (Magic Missile Mage comes to mind - it's a PrC from Dragon) and/or ignore Energy Resistance/Immunity (Silver Pyromancer 5 OR Sanctified One of Kord 1). Ignoring SR will also be a good idea, but that's not as easy, and getting a high CL and DC is paramount if you plan on being effective with area spells.

More:
Empowered Spellshard (Magic Missile) (1,500 GP) - That's Empower Spell for Magic Missile 3/day, dirt cheap. Buy lots of those.
Third Eye: Penetrate - for +2 CL to pass SR.
Cold Spell Specialization is MUST (+2 damage per die is a LOT)
War Mage is a MUST (+3 damage per die is even more!)

Example Blaster Sorcerer - there are some house-rules in effect, though, such as Sorcerers not sucking.
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2011, 12:11:55 PM »
I think focussing in Magic Missle too much is not good (SR is btw no problem due to Envelope the Wall - just adjust it as high as you want and get a huge bonus to overcome SR) because it does not deal much damage and Force Missle Mage is way to specialized - he doesn't even gain full spell prog. Magic Missle is just nice against enemies not immune to level drain, because mass-negative-levels kills everyone not immune.
Another way to kill via Magic Missle would be the Spell Tennis (don't have the link for people not knowing it, but it is an easy way to blast mass magic missles as free action via item).

Here an example build with Incantatrix:
1   Specialist Evoker 1   Scribe Scroll, Envelope the Wall (+X adjustment), Fell Drain (+2)
2   Specialist Evoker 2   -
3   Specialist Evoker 3   Repeat Spell (+3 adjustment)
4   Specialist Evoker 4   -
5   Specialist Evoker 5   Maximize Spell (+3 adjustment)
6   Metaphysical Spellshaper 1   Metaphysical Metamagic, Shape Soulmeld (Strongheart Vest)
7   Metaphysical Spellshaper 2   Miser with Magic (+0 adjustment)
8   Metaphysical Spellshaper 3   Metamagic Reduction 1
9   Binder 1   Bind Naberius, Iron Will
10   Incantatrix 1   Twin Spell (+4)
11   Incantatrix 2
12   Incantatrix 3   Irresistible Spell (+4 adjustment)
13   Incantatrix 4   Quicken Spell (+4)

Over all it does not get any better. It's not loosing the spell progr but it's loosing a school and needs level 13 instead of just 12.
Btw: I didn't found the PrC War Mage, not even in wizards PrC-Index.
The Cold Spell Specialization is nice, but 3 Feats are heavy. Even if you may use the City-Bomb with these Feats.

Anyone knowing another good PrC to get Bonus Feats / Bonus Metamagic Feats?

After all, continuing Incantatrix would be also a good choice (more Metamagic Reduction and 2 more Metamagic Feats, would be Guided Spell and any other Feat). This would enable the Wizard to a number of spell of his schools (3 are prohibited) equal to his Int mod as often as he wants all day, applying the best Metamagic Feats by just reducing Charisma or Strength or any "unnecessary" ability for a short time.
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2011, 12:19:25 PM »
Btw: I didn't found the PrC War Mage, not even in wizards PrC-Index.
It's in Age of Mortals, a Dragonlance-setting sourcebook published by WotC.

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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2011, 12:31:03 PM »
Thanks. Don't know why, but WotC didn't put this book on their list...

Anyway: The PrC is nice, espacially for Warforged (no more Spell Failure), but I can't afford the required Feats.

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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2011, 04:14:49 PM »
Strong heart vest soulmeld reduces 1 point from any ability damage you take.
Plus more if you invest essentia in it.
There's a feat in Hyperconscious (Psychic Bastion, no prereqs other than being psionic) that grants you Ability Reduction Reduction 3/-.
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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2011, 02:51:57 AM »
Strong heart vest soulmeld reduces 1 point from any ability damage you take.
Plus more if you invest essentia in it.
There's a feat in Hyperconscious (Psychic Bastion, no prereqs other than being psionic) that grants you Ability Reduction Reduction 3/-.
Does that work like Damage Reduction Reduction?
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2011, 05:19:27 PM »
Strong heart vest soulmeld reduces 1 point from any ability damage you take.
Plus more if you invest essentia in it.
There's a feat in Hyperconscious (Psychic Bastion, no prereqs other than being psionic) that grants you Ability Reduction Reduction 3/-.
Does that work like Damage Reduction Reduction?
It works against spells, powers, and other effects. If anything reduces an ability score (damage, burn, drain, etc), then you take 3 points off the top and ignore them.

Also, I see what you did there.

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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2011, 11:35:02 PM »
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3: Focused casters. Bard, Beguiler, Dread Necromancer, Martial Adapts, Warmage.
2: Full casters. Favored Soul, Psion, Sorcerer, Wu Jen.
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