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21st-level Gestalt Wizard help
« on: April 16, 2011, 01:03:23 AM »
i'm making a gestalt 21st-level gladiator ;)

LN Illumian Spellthief 20/Nar Demonbinder 1//Wizard 10/Incantatrix 11 of Shar

with a 63rd caster level.

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what items should i look for (800,00gp)?
i plan on using the Seven Veils and a custom runestaff, what else?

what spells should i go for? I was thinking prismatic sphere.
i plan on utilizing the Shadow Weave, Invisible Spell, Twin Spell, and Repeat Spell.

are there any 'dispel' spells that have no maximum bonus from caster level?

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Re: 21st-level Gestalt Wizard help
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2011, 10:31:32 AM »
Not sure Repeat spell is all that good in Gladiator type action. Lot of movement, and if your spell failed the first time it's probaly gonna fail again.

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Re: 21st-level Gestalt Wizard help
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2011, 05:51:57 PM »
Try to squeeze 11 levels of factotum in there to completely ignore SR?
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Re: 21st-level Gestalt Wizard help
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2011, 08:09:18 PM »
Try to squeeze 11 levels of factotum in there to completely ignore SR?

Ignore SR, with a CL of 63 ? I think that is covored.
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Re: 21st-level Gestalt Wizard help
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2011, 08:53:12 PM »
Lol yeah.

Can you think of any good spells that escalate with caster level, but don't have a cap?

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Re: 21st-level Gestalt Wizard help
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2011, 08:54:48 PM »
That feat in Dragonlance that lets you uncap all your spells?
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Re: 21st-level Gestalt Wizard help
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2011, 09:03:52 PM »
Sinsabur's Baneful Bolt (?), Maw of Chaos, Ice Claw, Suppressing Field... There's also Greater Shadow Evocation (Wings of Flurry). That's all that comes to mind, outside the basic duration improvements.

Regardless, be sure to get Mystic Shield. It's simply the best purely defensive spell out there.
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Re: 21st-level Gestalt Wizard help
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2011, 11:59:09 PM »
Thanks :)

Doesn't an invisible Prismatic Sphere still block LoE?

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Re: 21st-level Gestalt Wizard help
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2011, 05:22:14 AM »
Yeah, Maw of Chaos looks awesome! Add snowcasting and Energy Admixture :)

Found some others while browsing the Spell Compendium: Earthen Grasp, Stony Grasp, Ice Claw, and Spider Skin. None of which have caster level caps.

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Re: 21st-level Gestalt Wizard help
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2011, 08:50:56 PM »
Wasn't there a small thread, with a list of Uncapped Spells?
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Re: 21st-level Gestalt Wizard help
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Re: 21st-level Gestalt Wizard help
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2011, 02:44:53 AM »
Gestalt 21 as a...

Wizard 20 / Incantatrix +1 // Spellthief 4 / Bard 5 / Incantatrix 9 / Nar Demonbinder 1 / Knight of the Weave 1 / Sublime Chord 1

With Master Spellthief, I get a whopping 166 caster level w/o items or Practiced Spellcasting.

Wizard 21
Spellthief 4
Bard 14
Nar Demonbinder 22
Sublime Chord 22
Knight of the Weave 83
Total- 166

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Re: 21st-level Gestalt Wizard help
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2011, 03:20:25 AM »
Is your race set in stone?  Black Ethergaunt 20/Incantatrix 1 beats wizard 20/incantatrix 1.  Alternatively Sharn is just a silly race.
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Re: 21st-level Gestalt Wizard help
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2011, 06:00:22 AM »
Yeah, sharn for the win.  Sharns are silly on their own, they become silly2 in gestalt.
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Re: 21st-level Gestalt Wizard help
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2011, 12:18:29 PM »
he's already said no to the sharn, pretty adamantly

and no Fiend Folio, he hates fiends and psionics apparently, which i tried to explain that the Fiend Folio wasn't just fiends.... but whatever :-p

i was using the Dex-based Illumian to minimize maxing 3-4 stats ;)

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Re: 21st-level Gestalt Wizard help
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2011, 03:54:51 PM »
No Sublime Chord, Zook.  And remember, no crossing over the gestalt to affect your CL like that.  I thought we'd been through that already when you were building your first Nar Demonbinder.
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Re: 21st-level Gestalt Wizard help
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2011, 04:37:51 PM »
ROFL..... this build was actually, just for the high caster level.... i'd rather use my sources for Spell Compendium, not 160 CL ;)
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Re: 21st-level Gestalt Wizard help
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2011, 06:19:59 PM »
what happens if, say, a dvati wu jen casts Body Outside Body for "5 extra bodies"..... does that give just 5, or since he is a dvati, 10?

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Re: 21st-level Gestalt Wizard help
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2011, 08:43:46 PM »
Wasn't there a cap on prcs when gestalting? You know, just one prc allowed? And how is it that you have Incantatrix on BOTH sides of the gestalt? O.o
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Re: 21st-level Gestalt Wizard help
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2011, 09:08:12 PM »
you can only take a PrC at the same time as a base class, which is what i was doing